For a greater part of the 1960’s, Northern California was stalked by a serial killer known only as the Zodiac Killer. He was notorious for sending the police letters in his signature handwriting, complete with disturbing jokes and lewd comments targeting police. Over the years the Zodiac talked to newspapers, police and other agencies about shooting little school children, stabbing police, strangling citizens and planting a homemade bomb at an office building. He included sketches of weapons, greeting cards, and even blood soaked pieces of clothing from his victims.
One of the most noticable facets of the Zodiac Killer was his attitude. He has always been overly confident, a little too confident. Although he never signed his letters, he left a trademark symbol instead.
His letters were filled with mockings of high officials, and his tone never expressed even a drop of nervousness. He even told the police where he was at different times during a murder, only to chastise them the next morning in a letter discrediting law enforcement. Sadistic, clever, bizarre and highly motivated, the Zodiac Killer made fools of police for over a decade.
The Zodiac Killer began nearly every letter with “This is the Zodiac speaking,” before going into graphic detail about his latest murder to prove to police he was real. At least 7 victims have been proven to be related to the Zodiac in some way, although the Zodiac has claimed 3 times that number of deaths to his name. Many of the Zodiac’s letters also included complex ciphers written inside. Hidden messages with thousands of combinations and possible answer keys. In 1969 the first Zodiac cipher was cracked by a school teacher, and read:
“I LIKE KILLING PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS SO MUCH FUN IT IS MORE FUN THAN KILLING WILD GAME IN THE FORREST BECAUSE MAN IS THE MOST DANGEROUE ANAMAL OF ALL TO KILL SOMETHING GIVES ME THE MOST THRILLING EXPERENCE IT IS EVEN BETTER THAN GETTING YOUR ROCKS OFF WITH A GIRL THE BEST PART OF IT IS THAE WHEN I DIE I WILL BE REBORN IN PARADICE AND THEI HAVE KILLED WILL BECOME MY SLAVES I WILL NOT GIVE YOU MY NAME BECAUSE YOU WILL TRY TO SLOI DOWN OR ATOP MY COLLECTIOG OF SLAVES FOR MY AFTERLIFE.”
Since the first message was cracked, little has been accomplished in terms of translating the Zodiac’s other secret messages, most notably his 340 symbol cipher. Mailed on November 8th, 1969 the 340 cipher has stumped even the highest experts in the field of decryption. Although some answers have been proposed, none have proved accurate enough to be a confident solution. According to experts, the 340 cipher has 63^26 possible alphabet combination keys, and it would take thousands of years to test them even with the fastest computer. It must be cracked on a basis of extensive trial and error, a feat that is anything but simple. There is hope that one day it will be cracked, especilally since the Zodiac Killer has to this day never been successfully identified. DNA evidence and handwriting analysis has consistently eliminated suspect after suspect. The case’s key suspect, Arthur Leigh Allen, died of a heart attack in 1995. The Zodiac case is still open. Here is the Zodiac Killer’s unsolved 340 character cipher:

when the first letter was ciphered what were the remainning chractors
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hi i have been trying to crack the 340 cipher that the zodiac killer wrote.. i am a grade 11 student
I have a strong interest in the 340 cipher – I’ve made an online tool for experimenting with solutions to the cipher. Check it out at this link:
http://oranchak.com/zodiac/webtoy/
I have also been experimenting with using ECJ, an evolutionary computing framework, to try to search the “solution space” of the cipher. No luck so far. But I’m having fun trying out different ideas.
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it doesn’t look that fuking hard lol if some one put their minf to it they could solve it
i bet this dum 340 character cipher probobaly says like “hahaha you guys are fucking retards, you wasted 300 years trying to find out who i am and i am the zodiac killer thats who i am muhahahahah xD
How would you crack that or any code like that?! I only hope he’s not still out there because if he is… i will find him and put him behind bars for good.
i am in the 7th grade and i;m trying to crack this code before i died i will mangage to find a way to crack it
i am in the 7th grade and i’m trying to crack this code before i die i will mangage to find a way to crack it
what a nob lol leavin sumat this hard for us to solve, its just stressfull. and now the nob head his probably dead so we woldnt be able to find the zodiac fucker and ask him for the answer. i bet, if hes alive, hes got a ryt smug grin on his face the wanker! respect to him tho for managin to blag us for this long
I spose he did it,
he comitted the perfect crime and still gave us enough bate to catch the bastard!
I’m in the 7th grade and I’m trying to crack the code as well. I wish I could figure it out.
I have to the say though this guy was evil I must repect him….He is one of the most intelligent serial killers i have ever read about even the BTK Killer was eventualy caught……This letter i want to decipher it it’ll be a fun challenge
i want to get started on solving it soon
I wonder if it’s crossed anyone’s mind that the killer just wanted people obsessing about an unsolvable cipher. I mean, is it possible that he could have taken a bunch of symbols and put them together to MAKE it look like a code? I mean the last one was solvable , but maybe this time he just decided to make this one a jumbled mess because he knew people like us would be so curious and so obsessive as waste our times trying to solve it. He knew something like this would get attention for years and that’s what he wanted. Just a lot of attention, and now he’s probably dead or got locked away for some other crime. I don’t think he intended us to solve it, just take notice to it.
I mean, a killer like that would obviously loves the feeling of having superiority over the law enforcemant. Why else would he taunt them and point out their flaws, rubbing it in their faces. Making an unsolvable cipher to get the cops all grouped around trying to solve for days must have made him all warm and fuzzy inside because he takes a lot of enjoyment in that.
I believe that the first few words go as follows “If you find her body by…” after that I do not know. I will keep trying to figure it out though.
fuck ur slefs
I’ am in the 11th grade. I was told I had to do a project on this. I said okay, with open arms when I heard zodiac. I never thought it was about a killer. this guy was brilliant, but disgusting at the same time. what now? out of everything all we have left is a letter to solve…I have to start a web page about this guy. that’s my assignment. so the world can know more about how twisted he was. I’ am going to make a mission of solving this letter…
i wish i could talk to the FBI because i know what did he write in his codes if we can see the most used words are god and her look it up people u will know what i mean
i wish i could talk to the FBI because i know what did he write in his codes if we can see the most used words are god and her look it up people u will know what i mean
THE CIPHER MUST BE SOLVABLE, ZODIAC PAINSTAKINGLY PRINTED ALL OF THOSE LITTLE SYMBOLS TO WHAT, DRIVE PEOPLE CRAZY FOR 35 YRS? I DONT THINK SO, PLUS ONE THING GRAYSMITH SAID WAS WHY TAKE THE TIME TO PRINT IT ALL OUT IF IT MEANT NOTHING WHY THE CROSSED OUT LETTER K FORWARDS WITH THE CORRECTION OF THE LETTER K BACKWARDS OVER IT, PLUS I DONT THINK IT WILL BE SOME JUMBLE OF ANAGRAMMED WORDS OR NONSENSE PHRASES, ZODIAC MIGHT BE INSANE BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST CIPHERS AND ALL OF THE LETTERS ZODIAC SENT, HE DOES NOT SPEAK NONSENSICALLY AND EXPECT OTHERS TO FIGURE OUT THE RIDDLE, HE IS QUITE PLAIN IN HIS BRAGGING AND DESIRES, I THINK IT WILL MAKE PERFECT SENSE WHEN IT IS DECIPHERED AND IT WILL SCARE THE HELL OUT OF PEOPLE
While zodiak used letter-number code . tic tac
toe code . He wrote his own code also.
he knows how to write backwards 2 ways.
he claim to be Mackenzie.
his 3 eight balls
m=13-8=5=e. k=11-8=3=c,the zodiac sign=z
We have aenzkmnam. 2 8 balls used split 8 ball
we have 2 4’s. m=13-4=8=i, k=11-4=7=g
we have shape of an anchor.
we now have mackenzie anchor man
Man Im trying to solve that puzzle but I dont think the zodiac killer is dead just yet his ego was way to big for him not to atleast say he will finally go meet his slaves. Or something crazy like that if anyone things they have something let me know.
I think there is some type of trick to it. something like reading it straight up and down or something. Like if you count how many lines there are there is 20. So if he just changed the meaning of the symbols ever 5 lines and the way you read it differently it makes it hard to solve. i think the black squares indicate like a key. As if the half colored squares represent the first alpahbet and the full color sqaures represnt a second alphabet. But i am 99% sure there is some sort of trick to it
Also i believe there is a mathmatical equation on how to figure out the meanings of each leter. If you notice there is a pattern to how many times each symbol occurs, obviously with out needing to say symbols have double meanings, so there must b some equation to determine how many letters are double, like 1x+2x=y, even though that makes no sense the point is that there is some mathmatical equation that determines how many symbols mean a letter. Then once you find that out you use it to determine the occuring pattern with that, once you get it down to 26 letters you can take precentages and then fill it out, re organize it and get a pretty solid anwser.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_frequencies
Letter Frequency
a 8.167%
b 1.492%
c 2.782%
d 4.253%
e 12.702%
f 2.228%
g 2.015%
h 6.094%
i 6.966%
j 0.153%
k 0.772%
l 4.025%
m 2.406%
n 6.749%
o 7.507%
p 1.929%
q 0.095%
r 5.987%
s 6.327%
t 9.056%
u 2.758%
v 0.978%
w 2.360%
x 0.150%
y 1.974%
z 0.074%
Compare the zodiac’s letter frequency (Using the many letters he sent to the press)with the frequency of each symbol.
Look for the works a serial killer would write
Killer,kill murder etc…
To find the word murder look for two symbols the same with a gap of two symbols between them,
Look for the words the Zodiac Killer would use
Zodiac, SLAVES
Do the mistakes (Spelling Mistakes) that the zodiac makes in the first code mean anything, if the zodiac has taken care in his codes (The diffuculty of it) why does he make silly mistakes
FORREST
PARADICE
COLLECTIOG
DANGEROUE
Poor quality image
watch the film
How do you view the code from which angle up, down ,left etc… Do you miss out symbols, do you read it like a snake
IF YOU LOOK RIGHT INTO ALL THE CHARACTERS THERES PHONICIAN ALBHET CLEARLY BECAUSE THE O WITH A LINE GOIND DOWN PHONICIAN ITS A “Q”

LIKE A PERSON SAID HE PROABABLY USED ALOT OF DIFFERENT CHARACTERS FROM DIFFERENT CULTURES AND THE TRIANGLE A “D” AN O WITH A CROSS INSIDE A “T”
Hello, Im currently doing a paper on the ‘Zodiac Killer.’ and there’s a site you can go to, to try and decode the cipher.
But like my 12th grade Criminal Justice teacher said, he could of just used a bunch of jumbled letters just to get people excitited.
i hear what ur sayin anyomous, its not un solvable,
if u take a good look N put ur mind to it.. u cn solve it
but whats the point?? i mean if u solve it.. what?? ull get a prize or sumthin?? idk its just a code… meybe our future generations will solve it over time but for now, this is a mystery that doesnt really need to be solved…
i believe these symbols “>,<,-” point to letters wich spell out something if followed correctly , the boxes i believe are how it should be veiwed , boxes that have a 45degree slope inside , all characters following this box should be viewed at this angle , circles and othe symbols im still unsure of, so far ive spelled out “her 9oz” wich could be true or false
i think the zodic is dead when is the last time he has written a letter plus he is crazy im gonna be with my slaves bull shit he is gonna burn in HELLLLL!!!!!!
I think that it could be a spiral and that the one thing people are missing here is that the 61+ symbols used don’t have to be all the symbols and its likely that there might be a slide involved or abberant symbols that are disregarded. you might be looking at the entire Roman, Greek, Numeric and Wingding is the code and if he alternates over a perion or uses a box cipher then you are expanding the possibilities. It does have a good number for a spiral in its setup.
Also, the FBI likely has this cipher suitably deciphered and is monitoring everything like this to try and find the person who can decipher it… cuz lets be honest there might be 2-3 people capable of it over a 50 year period and one them is the Zodiac Killer…
He also uses his zodiac signature in this one. Gotta look at his other deciphered codes to get a better feel for this guy. Seems to be a person how is likely not mentally ill or psychotic in the same since of psychosis. He is either dead, in prison or decided to put is mind to something else or is hiding his codes in other ways.
All in all, wouldnt want to run into him, even now that he is likely 80+
Iorek
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just to let u know i solved the 340cypher and the most dangerious thing it talks about is bombing churches and that i know this person is full of it but now that i know what it is it`s not my problem its yours so keep hunting the clues because no stupid computer machine will solve it because it takes the one who made the computer to solve it so stop waistng time.
u have to play play cyper but it`s not a play cypher. wats wrong dont get it, im not giving it to u, u solve it and by the way it`s conected with all the other zodiac cypher`s so what are u waiting for take this message and stop waisting time.more clues i don`t think so but it must feel weird that only one person knows what it is doesn`t it u all suck that u can not solve this because if i give it to u that means the zodiac is cracked so i will definitly not give it to u.
If you solved the cipher what does the whole thing say?
Man, You are seriously the Non-smartest kid on this web site get a life you loser don’t try to act like you solved it. You are so far off and it’s kinda funny how you think you got 1 line and then share it thinking you know everything about the whole letter… Your dumb these 7th graders sound more smarter than you… now pack up your belongings and move out of your mommy’s house and find someone….
Hey yall my mom has been working on the cipher for about 2 1/2 months and has come up with some odd letters here and there but nothing more so i thought that i would give it a try cas yall know that two heads are better then one lol but i believe that everyone is just over thinking the decipher i believe that it is just as simple as taking the first two and matching them against the third one hehe
The letter might not even be by him, there were countless hoax letters in his time, the letter might not be able to be cracked.
Just look at 1 basic problem with the letter, the target symbol in the code is him, he refers to himself as the gun sight, he has even signed the letter as the target. How come in this letter only is there more than 1 target in the cypher text.
All his letters were poseted in the san fransisco papers and since he was a murdering celebrity everyone wanted to read and see the code, it does not take more than a child or an idiot than to look at the letter copy the codes onto another piece of paper and then send it in. The size of the text alone does not even fit his profile
sorry to hear your ass is a dragon your seacret pal
Hey i am a 10th grader who is VERY intrested in the justice system. I hope that the Zodiac is dead and burning in hell.
Anyway, I would like to try and solve this or at least give it a go. If anyone has any useful information that could assist me in beginning to decipher it that would be great! If you do, would you please send it to irishdancerfreak@hotmail.com. Thank You!
Lo
wtf…. ”I LIKE KILLING PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS SO MUCH FUN IT IS MORE FUN THAN KILLING WILD GAME IN THE FORREST BECAUSE MAN IS THE MOST DANGEROUE ANAMAL OF ALL TO KILL SOMETHING GIVES ME THE MOST THRILLING EXPERENCE ”
what he said…
read the book… the most dangerous game…
its about a guy who owns an island and crashes ships on the island and hunts the people who get standed on his island
hm… at the time of the murders, 3 teens gave an eye-witnesses account, and the police made a sketch of the killer. In the 60’s, Zodiac was estimated at 35-40 years of age. Now, 40+ years later, even if somebody does crack the code chances are HE’S DEAD.
hi..i have solved the zodiac cipher..TWICE!!!!!!Are you fucking idiots..??It so easy..it’s a piece of cake..you can contact with me if you need help with solvng it in HELL..MWAHAHAHAHA..malaka
Talking seriously now i just discovered something..The name Arthur Leigh Allen which is supposed to be the real name of zodiac including the gaps are 18 letters..meaning that the 18 letters that have not been identified may be the name of zodiac..what do you think guys..?
I agree with Zodiac^2..i asked my father who coincidentialy is retired cop who also continues investigating the case of zodiac in 1970 and he told me that his name was arthur leigh allen..he had spoked with him and arthur told him that he was the killer but my father never had evidences to proove it..
I also agree with Zodiac^2…i realized it too..you are so fucking smart..marry me please..i am still a virgin but i have long blond hair blue big eyes and a so cool body..i love you..always yours lilith..ε>
I guarantee it’s been cracked. After the authorities are satisfied that the suspect has passed away based merely on age, information will be subsequently released.
the zodiac killer is a really scary thought to think someone could actually do that…he was one of the smartest people of all time and he told what he was doing and when, i feel like we let him go, sure the ciphers are hard but c’mon he can’t be the smartest person in the world and besides he is dead now
zodiac 2 you r right dude legit…call someone like high ranking authority
hi by the way. i have been reaseaching on zodiac and yeah he does seem kinda scary lol
and we are alll trying to work out he cipher but if you look very closely you can make words from it like zodiac
just wonding he could be one of us reading are comments about him lol scary
the first cipher letter right to the end there is 18 word that no-one has work it out ok its
ebeo riet emeth hpiti
im still working on it lol
no way i have this at my house my friend and i r tryin g to solve it
It’s mathematical! Binary, morse code, it’s really quite ingenious. He’s still out there, you can bet that he has looked at this website. He knows it, I know it, and now you all know it.
By the way, the cypher changes patterns throughout the document so one symbol will mean more then one thing, that’s how come it’s unsolved. Arthur Leigh Allen wasn’t the Zodiac, he was a coincidence, he wasn’t smart enough to get away with the crimes the Zodiac committed. The Zodiac would have been in his mid to late twenties when he was at large with the public, possibly even early thirties, so he would be late sixties to early seventies now. The thing with serial killers is, no matter how smart, no matter how ingenious, they don’t just go away, they evolve and adapt to their surroundings. I can grantee you one thing, not only is he still out there laughing at all of us as he peruses the internet looking at these sites and laughing at our own stupidity, but he hasn’t stopped. As the Zodiac himself would put it he is still out there collecting souls for paradise.
chances are, if he is dead, the information about the death of the zodiac would most likely be released, and this cipher is a very hard one, but it is also simple, you just need good puzzle skills and high math intelligence
Guys, its nt that hard, i mean look at the clues.
Who said it was one guy. At the time there was another famous case going on( Manson “Family” )…. sorry for being Captain Obvious. At least 2 of the police reports describe, facially, same person but different builds. One was about 160 lbs. The other description, a husky man. I only see what I see from the archives. Modern tech even lends a hand and DNA evidence say Arthur Allen(prime suspect) DNA did not match.
Okay big deal. Someone is getting or got away with a crime. Considering age has not been determined in order to make that statement.
Focus back on the original decrypted letter. Ask yourself…. which came first, the solution or the answer. How come nobody has noticed a pattern in the encryption. The letter was written first and a “key” made. The simple substitutions came from a key and were not completely random. Hmmmm not even Chris Farmer got that far. Nor Tom Voight. Pattern you say? Not bragging but I have spent some time trying to crack the second .
First I disassemble the first a little bit. Going back to the second. Feel Free to comment back. Swapping ideas instead of trying to collect some “prize” may be better. By the way. I believe the last 3 words of the undeciphered “Zodiac” letter is
“become a slave”. Took awhile to get that and a few more. The second may be a pattern but not as easily spotted as the first. It’s there…. hard to see at the moment. Later….:D
maybe its a word find lol
This is the Zodiac,
The one who solves my cipher shall have the pleasure of being my final victim.
7uhfgre52ds dd34phhew9
Has anyone realized that the first cypher that people did could be a key of some sorts…it might not be a key to all of the letters but some letters it could be a key for.
Just a thought.
In a letter after this one, zodiac refers to this cypher saying something along the lines of “by the way have you solved my last cipher?” and then never mentions it again. I don’t think he expected the cipher to be solved because it’s meant to be unsolvable, just a bunch of jibberish..
the zodiac was a very big liar among other things. he lays claim to many murders when zodiac can only be linked to 5. he was looking for attention and publicity and LOVED the fact that people were confused. he introduces and refers to people not wearing zodiac buttons in 2 of his letters!! he gave that more attention than this cipher,, he craved attention for sure more than anything else,, it was his motive for killing.
he also brags about being so close to police that were too stupid to catch him, and busy “racing their motor cicles” and on several occasions claims to be “too smart” to be caught. HE WANTS PPL TO TRY AND FAIL AT THIS CIPHER, and then scratch their heads and say “DAMN THE ZODIAC IS A FUCKING GENIUS” ..not so
i gotta see what graysmith says about this.. i read somewhere that he is convinced that Zodiac wouldnt waste his time making this cipher, but i think that if all he does is cite past letters that are “to the point” and saying that his past letters dont contain usless information is not good enough..
the zodiac tried to break his pattern of killing when he murdered the cab driver,, his initial victims were young attractive rural women and then he broke the pattern on purpose (police theorize) by killing the cab driver in an urban city
he wanted to break the pattern and make himself seem more random and dangerous
I bought the book by Greysmith and was looking at the Ciphers. I would like to state some obvious things real fast.
1) He uses more than 26 symbols before the second line is even done, with 40 symbols that means E could have been used twice already. This means there could be atleast 2 alphabet codes.
2)The first letter was assumed correct. We like the translation about slave and killing, what if it was not completely correct. It was solved by a history teacher?!?
3)He loved to intentionally misspell words. What if the misspelled words are the keys to his code. Or they are a code of their own.
He thought all these things through, that is what the kills we ”over a decade”, he took his time.
Also, I doubt he read this forum, he would be really old by now and old people has crappy computer skills, he probably can not even get to the internet
Yea he is dead But sumone knows. Someone. knows.
Yea symbles bla! bla! Bla!
Whats with the blody part …
i guess the 340 chiper must be gathered from different cultures so if the best officials can just sit down and gather the worlds diverse languages they would solve it.men the guy named the zodiac killer he is just a bum like us.and maybe u should just get the survivors of the attack and let them describe him ibet one said in a book that his attacker is ashort stoky brown haired guy.i bet it’s gonna be solved soon keep the case opened
I started finiding out about the Zodiac for homework at school…now im taking it there and there are alot of smart teachers at my school (and students) together we’ll definitely crack it! the bastard zodiac will so be turning in his grave!!
“This is the Zodiac speaking, everybody here are fools. One day, when i die, my slaves will be with me. The people who go missing so often: guess who? Im still here, watching, i will never truly die, i live on in my children and so on.”
Then he starts talking about some random sheep in a field and shoots himself in the head. Thats probably what happened in the 340 symbol cipher lol.
Why do some people here say they “respect” him? He was a nut and HE KILLED PEOPLE! You are the scary ones. Why waste your time with the cipher? Its either meaningless symbols or just useless babble like the first one. He should have given his name in the first one like he said he would be he was gutless. He killed unarmed people from behind. Wow, what a guy.
Okay JDPetit, honestly do you think that the cipher means nothing. If it so hard to crack why would he put useless info in it and make it so hard to crack. Also this guy was a genius if he was smart enough to put out a code that no one has cracked it in over 35 years. Maybe you should think about what you are saying before you say it.
Well i have been studying this cypher for years and i have realized that if you have adobe you can rotate the image some of the words are upsidedown sometimes and sideways try rotating it and you well find some words
I have figured it out he wrote it to keep the cops busy on it so he can get away knowing that the detectives or whoever would try to decipherit yes he was really smart he tried to make it make sense that way everyone would be working on it someone well decypher it but its only gonna say stuff like killer or zodiac or god or some crap
I have solved the code this is it, This is the zodiac killer speaking
I have become very upset with the people
of San Fran Bay Area. They have not complied
with my wishes for them to wear some nice buttons.
I promiced to punish them if they did not
comply, by anilating a full school buss
the, ammer, so i punished them in an another
way. I shot a man sitting in a parked car with a .38.
The Map coupled with this code will tell you where
the bomb is set. you have until next fall to cliq it up.
Told you so
The zodiac left a key in later correspondance which when partially applied has so far produced the name Herb Caen (and not where robert graysmith places it) aswell as text such as “setting a girl on fire” the other half of the key is relevant but doesnt fully transpose as i am struggling to find the significance of why the zodiac has chosen the symbols in the later correspondance which combine the 10th and 12th lines of the cipher…. watch this space……………….
I have been doing some research on this character, and he is a very complex man.
He was a nut, was a genius, and above all, some people believe he suffered from multiple personality syndrome. It is commonly believed that most of the time, the murder didn’t exist, and he only showed himself at very select times. So while investigations were still going on, he wasn’t tangible. When investigations hit a screeching halt, BAM!!! Another murder popped up. Also, some theorize, he was the leader of the investigations, so it was the perfect murder cover. He was looking for himself, or 2 people in one. This case is very diverse, and very interesting
the zodiac killer is the smartest guy in the world
this is what it says
I Like Killing People Because It Is So Much Fun It Is More Fun Than Killing Wild Game In The Forrest Because Man Is The Most Dangerous Animal Of All To Kill Something Gives Me The Most Thrilling Experience It Is Even Better Than Getting Your Rocks Off With A Girl The BEst Part Of It Is That When I Die I Will Be Reborn In Paradise And Those I Have Killed Will Become My Slaves I Will Not Give You My Name Because You Will Try To Slow Down Or Stop My Collecting Of Slaves For Afterlife E B E O R I E T E M E T H H P I T I
Christopher J Farmer
1. I read your dissertation on the Zodiac Killer and I find, like the school teacher, who early on incontrovertible inferred that he solved the first two Zodiac submissions, that being the two 8 x 16 matrix ciphers by simply writing enough words to fill in the exact amount of characters and/or symbols to make a paragraph to suit his prejudiced idea. You, unfortunately have done t he same thing.
2. It is also amazing to me that you could string together all these unrelated clues, like Leona Roberts murder (that was never a part of the Zodiac investigation), Don Quixote, JFK, King Arthur etc. etc. and come up with the one person (who was never a suspect) who early on was able to supply information from the newspapers. One good example of an overlooked diagnosis is on page 48 wherein you define DEG. If you look to your right just two words you will see how the writer of the note marks his g in the word Aug and in several other areas on the page. What you are looking at is an S.
3. Your prognostication that the evidence in “your case is far beyond a reasonable doubt” gave all of a group of former police officers quite a chuckle. As a matter of fact it was gut busting. (I would really be interested if and when Mr. Penn comes to court please, please let me know. I want to be there when you present this erudite evidence in court!
4. Most of your report is what most police officers and the courts would identify as “fabricating a case” to detract from the exculpatory evidence and create a pejorative dialogue against one Mr. Penn.
5. As you accuse Mr. Penn, me thinks you are way TOO close to some evidence that ONLY you
Know of????
So here goes my solution to the puzzle!!!
C H R I S T O P H E R J F
It is amazing what one can fabricate with this cipher of letters! for My name is———
I guess it all comes together on page 68 of your report “Your donations keep OPORD in business; we need equipment and software donations”. I thought on page one you stated
The Premier Intelligence Company. What? business not so good??
Oh, by the way, I notice you did not tackle the 17 by 20 matrix???? Too complicated I am guessing?
I like Dave Oranchak’s webtoy, though I doubt it will solve the Zodiac Killer’s 340 cipher. There is a new website, Zodiologists.com. Quite interesting to read. hyperlink Zodiologists.com rel=”follow”>http://www.zodiologists.com
when i am gone you will know me
Dude, this is intense >..>
HERB CAEN:
I GIVE THEM HELL TOO.
BLAST THESE LIES. SLUETH
SHOELD [SHOULD] SEE A NAME
BELOW KILLEERS FILM. A PILLS
GAME. PARDON ME AGCEPT TO
BLAST NE [ME]. BULLSH–T.
THESE FOOLS SHALL MEET
KILLER. PLEAS ASK LUNBLAD.
SOEL [SOUL] AT H LSD UL
CLEAR LAKE. SO STARE I
EAT A PILL. ASSH-LE I
PLANT MR. A.H. PHONE LAKE B.
ALL SSLAVES BECAUSE LSD
WILL STOLEN EITHER SLAVE
SHALL I HELL SLASH TOSCHI?
THE PIG STALLS DEALS OC [OF]
EIGHTH SOEL [SOUL] SLAIN. this is the solution to the ‘unsolved’ 340 cipher
the zo’s simbles do not stand for a letter forinstant the shaded box isn’t a letter, its a word that he uses more than once, such as “and, but, here, i, me, we, her, he, ect” i think this because if you try to look through his eyes, you might understand his meening for killing people, and you might solve the code.
i can solve it…
I am in 2nd grade and I am trying to solve the cipher. I tell everyone that I am in 2nd grade because this means I am a genius.
It is not possible to solve the cipher. The words best mind have thought it.
The problem is even is you use all possibilities, how can you know it is what he has written. All possibilties can generate some other text to, atleast some of them.
It is hard cipher, had anyone of you ever solved other ciphers?
So please solve first known ciphers then thinking about it.
Another problem is see spelling of this person at first cipher deciphered, there are mistakes. So it will be too difficult to find correct answer, if he has changed spellings of some words.
So just stop him, it is based on astronomy, so if you want to find answers look to stars. (Azimuthal etc) etc. Think how he thinks. See time of attack, see position of starts at that instant. See various valus of astronomy constants. Try to write a prog to map it.
The thing is it is not worth to spend time on this cipher. Try to solve other things.
i am from england in year 7 i am intrested aout this so i compared it to the zodiac alphabet and none of the symbols matched to it…………
Hej, guys it’s simple The Zodiac Wrote this letter right before everything stopped.
So he did it much more diffecult then the other riddle but why
i think
1 its nothing so he can eazly stop why every one is concentrating on that cipher and not paying attention on the killer himself or
2it is something but he made it so diffucelt that he knows for an 110% that they cant know what it means before he is already dead!
1can be right because its still not solved
2can be right because he can be dead now or maybe next year and its still not solved!
but i dont think its gonna be solved they had proffessionals on this cipher and now we noobs are trying to solve it????
i dont think so maybe it is real but were not going to solve it believe me if it was possible for us then it was already solved by thousands of proffessionals
thanx for reading this and just think about it
I think some of the Clues to the cipher are connected in astrology and UFO’s.
Its interesting that the book on the Betty and Barney
hill case was being talk about on a talk show, the every week he allegedly made his first attacked, Oct 30th, 1966
in Riverside, Ca.
He might have gotten the idea of getting ‘souls for the after life’ from the UFO abduction case.
The New York zodiac killed 3 or 4 times in Brooklyn where he lived and once in Manhattan.
SF Zodiac killer, is said to have killed once in Southern California and the rest in areas of Northern California.
Did he live in Northern California, or do business in N.
California.
In Astrology, its called a ‘Bucket Chart’
One or two planets on one side of the chart (as the handle) and the bulk of the planets on the opposite side of the chart (in the bucket).
Well anyway
hmmm hard i spend an hour to try it but am getting nuts of it, its would be interesting to know for uss have they managed to crack that first code, how they dealed with it, what they did, would be easier for uss to try it
Yeah silverklauws thats an good idea
i want to know that too i will directly research this from the bottom!
Yo guys i have been like 3months on this case
And if you see The zodiac movie and The zodiac 2007 you will know everything
Actually only the zodiac 2007 the other doesn’t give you all the information you need in the movie from 2007 Arthur Leigh Allen was the biggest suspect he was treathning the police etc. he send leathers to the police but when he was arrested it stopped when he came free in 1977 the leathers came back 4 years later
there was an girl darlene se knowed someone whit the name Arthur Leigh Allen 48 hours before darlene died someone called to their house the zodiac sad nothing he was only breathing that day after the call darlene died so the zodiac didnt choose any house or someone he was after darlene
one time on 18 september sry i forgot the year he called to melvin belli he wasnt home he was one week before christmas gone so the women who works for him picked up it was the zodiac he said i am sick bla bla bla he said i must kill its my BIRTHDAY on 18 september also from the research of Robert Graysmith the birthday of Arthur Leigh Allen was on 18 september but il cut the story you got too see the movies both but i preffer The Zodiac 2007
But the most important the threathning phon calls that The Zodiac called to Robert Graysmith Stopped after Arthur Leigh Allen died so i think for 99,9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999%
that Arthur Leigh Allen
was The Zodiac
whitout any questions my researchis finished
THE ZODIAC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id0qvIetOzI&feature=PlayList&p=BCD15DF97DA2CAF5&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=45
well the zodiac wears glasses i wear glasses i cant see without my glasses if i take them off i see weird things
I noticed on the 340 Cipher two things
1.) There are no symbols that appeared to be reversed letters that are A,E,I,O,U vowels unlike the first Cipher.
2.) The 340 Cipher has a correction to a symbol that looks like a reversed letter K. This leads be to believe that there is a message in the Cipher and that it is not a hoax cipher
After reading the messages left here, I’m really bummed out. I thought I would find people who are actually trying to figure out the cypher, not a bunch of retards who probably can’t spell their own names, bragging about how smart they are.
Has anyone noticed that the symbols could easliy be syplified versions of the Zodiac writing. Just a theory.
I have discovered that when taking the wrong letters out of the misspelled words:
E
A
E
E
A
I
A
G
And replacing them with the propper letters:
S
I
T
I
W
A
N
I’ve found that this word (Sitiywan) is chinease for “loyal friend” I’m not quite sure what this means but with a little more searching I may find it.
I believe that the first cipher was never actually cracked, not only were there 18 letters at the end that make no sense, there are also misspelled words, as well as 5 letter jumble and nine letter jumble in the “translation itself” itself.
http://www.zodiologists.com/z408_cipher_conclusions.html
I think there were two of them. There is certainly compelling circumstancial evidence for Arthur Leigh Allen, but not physical evidence. If all the dots were connected I bet you would find an accomplice there somewhere.
After tiring of the cat and mouse with lawdogs, the Zodiac killer began to get his “rocks off” through murdering in less noticable ways. I.e.; he would do things like smothering babies, pushing elderly down stairs, etc. He even got jobs at hospitals and nursing facilities to find prey. In the early 1970’s he began taking jobs at these places and thus could find victims that were the most vulnerable. At many jobs he had access to patients private property and could get home addresses; even stealing their keys when possible.
How do I know this? He killed a child in Minot, ND, in February of 1973, after stealing the keys of a woman who had given birth at the hospital where he worked.
His “goal”, as he proclaimed, was to collect slaves. The sight of the obituaries of his victims became the ultimate high. He believed police and his victims families were oblivious to his new M.O. And, on top of that, there was the possibility that the families or friends of his victims might be charged with the crime he had committed.
I recently have dicovered the zodiac killer and I believe that he calles himself so and reverse to slaves because the 13 constellations of the zodiac.
I think that the mirrored letters rever to the 12 most common english letters in the alphabet, the rest I don’t know.
I think the Zodiac is a lunatic, and he will burn in purdition for eternity, if he isnt already. He may be reading this now, but if he is, he should know, ive got him tagged. his initials are R.A.S. and im working on figuring the rest of it all out. and im not even a legal adult! That’s just sad. And america’s finest couldnt have figured this out 30 yrs ago, in time to cath him? I doubt that there is only coincidence in that. i think the cops were covering it all up for him. Tell Satan I’m coming R.A.S.!
I am in Kindergarden and I am trying to crack the Zodiac 340 cipher. My mommy and daddy tell me I can’t do it, but I am really really smart. Sometimes I stay up until 9 o’clock and work on the code while my parents are watching Dancing with the Stars.
So far I have cracked the first line of the code. It says:
I like to dip my cookies in chocolate milk.
Some say The Zodiac killer was Guy Ward Hendrickson, who died in 1983.
18 letters in his name….
At the end of one of his letters it has as a singature of some sort the letters ” sfpd 0″ . I think that that particular letter has something to do with chemistry. YOu know, the whole electron orbitals. I dont know a whole lot about deciphering these puzzles but that is the first thing that came to my mind when I say those letters. Maybe the displacement of the f orbital has something to do with the deciphering. I dont know about the zero though.
ha is there a reason he marked out the correct way of makeing a k and replaced it with a backwards one???
Have any of you thought of what you cracked so far other peoples clues go with yours? Just take time and read everyones clues and put them together.
What made the Zodiac cipher so hard was that it was a challenge, not a message between at least two people. Only one person knew the cipher and that was the killer himself. In the first message which was solved he confused solvers by having some letters be the same all the time and other letters changed several times throughout the message. It would have been hard for the someone who did know the cipher, let alone someone who didn’t.
i am interested to crack this one
i love cipher so much
i wish i could break this one
…..Philippines…..
what a flippin dummy! Just look @ his line: It is more fun than hunting wild game in the forrest.” An extra “r”. Take that cipher and use all his spelling and grammar screwups and you get RAS. Initials anyone? Jeez California cops are dumb! no offense to anyone present of course -.~
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The Zodiac was quit cleaver the 340 cipher is actually 3 ciphers plus the regular alphabet.
Ciphers used were ceasar, symbol,and Vigenere.
my name is not the Zodiac im trying to be funny
I am sure the 340 cipher contain a message and it can be solved. I believe the Zodiac wanted to show the world how smart he was. The previous cipher was solved much too fast. Which indicate the Zodiac was not so smart after all. The Zodiac became angry and decided to make another cipher that was really hard to solve. I do not believe the zodiac was very intelligent, slightly above normal. I believe he never realize how difficult it would be to solve it. In his anger he overcompensated the difficulty of the cipher.
I have found some patterns in the cipher. I believe we need to understand his universe in order to solve it. I expect the decoded text must been read in some special pattern. And it will contain intended misspelling. It might be some fake/blank symbols. even the decode text might contain fake words. Just like in the 408-cipher some letter will be equal several different symbols. If we are lucky, it going to be real hard
He could have used a matix-cipher code system (A). If it is so, we need the decoding matrix (A^-1). It is impossible to solve a matrix-cipher without the key. but I do not believe he did use it. I believe he created his own way to make a cipher, therefore the only way to solve it is to look into his twisted mind and try to understand how it was made. additionally we need a lot of luck.
i love hearing and reading about the Zodiac Killer.i hope,if i was every crazy enough or mad enough(which i am almost.jk…ish),i would be exactly like him.hes jusst amazing
The Zodiac’s 340 cipher has been solved by Opord Analytical, an intelligence company. It shows that there were two Zodiac killers… Guy Ward Hendrickson and Gareth S Penn.
It also gives names of victims and says I killed Darlene
go to http://www.opordanalytical.com and on the forum look at the 340 cipher solved.
Zodiac wrote: I love to kill, killing is so much fun….
He also wrote: If you solve these clues you will know who I am and you will have me,
This is the Zodiac speaking
Christopher “Captain Paranoid” Farmer and his crackpot committee at Opord Analytical are wrong again, and are the embodiment of the lapdog mentality that dominates this case.
That said, Opord is unintentionally hilarious and fun to read and mock, unlike the responses in this thread, which are enough to cause one’s brain to melt from the sheer overwhelming stupidity of most people online and only serve to highlight the failings of our education system, as well as the need for strict regulation of the internet, to de-louse it, if you will.
And a little forced sterilization of the mongoloid masses wouldn’t hurt, either.
Chris Farmer is NOT wrong…. they have solved the Zodiac’s 340 cipher and I know of detectives in two north Calif. counties who are interested. Guy Ward Hendrickson and Gareth Penn ARE Zodiac. Hendrickson may have killed as many as 50 people in his life time. Before to long you will see this become official. The Zodiac case is solved.
Please visit the following link for breakthrough evidence in the Zodiac case:
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“brixelbracken” keep trying, someday you may be smart enough to read. Opord has solved the Zodiac case.
They have so much showing Penn is Zodiac it’s amazing. Plus the 340 shows that Guy Ward Hendrickson and Gareth Penn are Zodiac. There is more info/evidence showing Penn is Zodiac and also Hendrickson than anyone has on any other suspect. You want some proof email me buddy.
Or are you really Gareth Penn?
The answer is simple. There is no answer. The zodiac sent the cypher to keep the police distracted while he left the state or country.
“srgical” Wrong you are! Zodiac played a sophisticated game of murder with an adolescent twist. There is an answer to all of Zodiac’s ciphers and riddles/clues. Opord Analytical has solved much of them and can be found on their forum. The two Zodiac killers were very intelligent people with one of them having a genius IQ. The one who remains alive is also very dangerous… he is suspected of killing a young couple in 2004 in Calif and also two women near Seattle in 2006. 🙂
YOu are dumb, that fag Farmer said he solved it by folding it up like a fan from the mikado, then later he is trying to solving it normailly, Y? already solved it didnt he?
Now back2good says she solved it. Do his ignorant followers not believe the idiot farmer solved it and y is he going along with her solving it when he already solved it once before he tried solving it a second time?
Farmer is an idiot.
Farmer’s original Zodiac report showed Gareth S Penn as Zodiac. AND Gareth S Penn IS Zodiac, but Guy Ward Hendrickson is also Zodiac they worked as a team.
Since then Farmer has solved several other things showing Penn as Zodiac and with the solving of the 340 cipher we now know that Penn and Hendrickson are definately Zodiac.
Again, you are dumb. Farmer solved nothing. If he did solve it why did he try solving it a second time? Also why are you and the other idiots on his board even attempting back2goods method if Farmer the fag already solved it?
You are fucking stupid and farmer takes it in the butt.
Farmer showed Penn as Zodiac and the solving of the 340 cipher shows Guy Ward Hendrickson and Gareth S Penn are the Zodiac killers.
You are really dense not to see the obvious. Farmer showed a good amount of proof that Penn is 1 of the Zodiac killers and Deborah perez and the solving of the 340 cipher show proof of Guy Ward Hendrickson as the other Zodiac killer.
If you can’t see that you better get glasses.
Again dumbass, if farmer solved the 340 with his stupid folding of the paper why did he continue to try and solve it thru normal methods and why do you and your stupid friends on his site entertain back2goods work on the 340.
All of Farmers so called evidence is nothing that can be proven one or the other and not accepted by anyone.
Go ahead and keep blowing the guy, its your life.
I’ll give you one more chance. Farmer used the clues and riddles of Zodiac to show that Gareth S Penn was Zodiac.
Farmer did not originally solve the 340 cipher. He used clues and riddles of Zodiac’s to show Penn was Zodiac.
Since then Farmer solved several other clues by Zodiac to show that Penn was Zodiac.
Deborah Perez came along and stated that her adopted father Guy Ward Hendrickson was the Zodiac killer.
A nandwriting expert said Deborah Perez may have written some of the Zodiac letters.
Then Back2good solved the Zodiac’s 340 cipher on Opord to show that Guy Ward Hendrickson and Gareth Sewell Penn are the Zodiac killers.
I can also tell you that I personally know of a District Attorney and detectives in one north Calif county who are very interested in Penn. And also detectives in another north Calif. county who are interested in Penn.
Listen Conrad,
Farmer solved nothing. Not one shred of that bs he is spewing is provable by any means to implicate Penn as Zodiac. back2good solved the cipher my ass. That’s why you and everybody else ther are finding your own names in her stupid solution. Infact Farmers name is in there as is everybody elses on the planet because the solution is dumb!
Jesus Christ Emil… OPDORK has the most convoluted, fucked up “solution” I’ve EVER seen. You, at the very least, need to learn to think for yourself and not blindly follow some OTHER dumbass down the darkened path. If you had just one living brain cell in your head, you would easily see that nearly anything can be found in that pile of rubbish… including Hitler and Stalin. I guess they were in on it too.
You will not be able to “convert” anyone here by spewing the same bullshit rhetoric that comes out of Farmer’s website. And as far as this statement…
“I personally know of a District Attorney and detectives in one north Calif county who are very interested in Penn.”
Interested in what capacity? (Assuming that you actually know anything). Protecting him from false accusations? Though I imagine he deserves it after hounding O’Hare for so long.
Just go crawl back under your OPDORK rock.
No more comments to you unfortuanate souls who can not see the forrest for the trees. You wouldn’t know a serial killer if he were wearing a sign.
Whatever, you and the idiot Farmer will be laughed at again and again presenting that garbage.
Not one thing Farmer has claimed to have solved is backed by anyone outside of his lame board. NOT ONE THING!!!!!
look at the evidence
i have studied this. use the map. “is to be set to Mag. N.” Count the letters with those two little dots. It adds to seventeen. The same amount of letters on each line. Zodiac could have wrote that out differently like Mag. North or whatever way. He did that on purpose. I do not know why but it is clear it was intended. When dealing with stuff like this nothing is coincidence. Also, in this 340 cipher you will notice all those > ” is a shift of three letters. “v” is a shift of six letters. The “” sign so shift 3 spaces for the next 2 letters. It looks like a 9 and backwards L. I think all those “9’s” are really small “q” so if it is a “q” then shift 3 and you get a “T” and the (backward) L 3 spaces forward is an “O” but 3 spaces backwards is an “I”. Very interesting that it is a vowel both ways. So it is a start people let’s figure this out. Is the next word “TO” or “TI…” ?
When I re-read that post I realized I screwed up. In the cipher you see all those ^ v symbols on almost every line. What if they mean something that is attached to that map like the “>” symbol is for a shift of 3 letters and the “<" is for a shift of 9 and the "v" is 6 and the "^" is a shift of all the sums together which would be eighteen. So again look at my last post as to how I "got" the second word. Also take not that all of those symbols are either 3,6,9,12,15 "letters away from one side or the other. Again, in dealing with puzzles like this nothing is coincidence. So, come on people, we can figure this out. This guy was arrogant and he wanted it to be difficult but not impossible. He wanted his message to be heard.
Very interesting rob. The thing I noticed (and I’m certainly not the first, I’m sure) is the incredible symmetry of the cipher in regards to where the “^’s” are placed. It hasn’t gotten me any closer to a solution, but it obviously isn’t just a coincidence either. Quite a few people have surmised that it’s some kind of caesar shift… and I must claim ignorance in that regard.
I have, however, corresponded with Roland Heck, who runs the zodiologists.com website. They seem to have some very compelling solutions to a couple of the other ciphers, but have not posted anything for 340. Roland recently said that they have made quite a bit of progress with 340 and forwarded their results to the FBI. At the present time, they will not post their solution as part of a non-disclosure agreement with the FBI. In Roland’s words, he stated that 340 “is a very different cipher from the rest” and that “if 408 is a difficulty lever of three (on a scale of one to ten), then the 340 is a 30.
I’m very curious to (eventually) see what they’ve come up with… and I’m sure it’s not a stupid “Farmerian” solution. In the meantime, we can keep plugging away to see what we come up with.
Cheers.
Conrad, I’ve read your posts on various forums. I’ve yet to find ONE that provides any useful information. Instead, you simply tout Chris Farter’s website (which, btw, has been veeeeerry silent since making up that idiot “solution”).
For those with an IQ greater than sand, do yourselves a favor and steer clear of OPORD (unless, of course, you’re in need of a good laugh). I would recommend nearly ANY other Zodiac forum, with the exception of Tom Void’s site.
Is Zodiackillerfacts(dot)com really the sane alternative to Voigt?
http://www.myspace.com/bababooeybijan/blog
I THINK NOT!
But I though you would nead a good laugh before you hear the bad news.
Well, well, well….lookee that…..
A brixelbracken impersonator, but with none of my inimitable command of the English language? And taking potshots at Mikey?
How juvenile……….tsk, no, it just won’t do…….
The real brixelbracken…accept no substitutes.
I am at the moment solving the 340 cipher. After looking at all your appinons about the 340 cipher was wrong as there were some problems with it. At the moment I solved a bit from the 340 cipher. Some words like: “you” and “hold” and “try” are coming up. How is this happening you ask? Its because im using math with the case. I have a theory that the Zodiac Killer is not just ONE killer. Maybe they were a group. Thats just a theory. Contact me on themcnx@hotmail.com
🙂
The 340 cipher is confusing… There are vowels behind themselfs. Like: eee. But using math helped me get over that.
I feel that the Zodiac 408 cipher has nothing to do with the 340 cipher. and that he changed the symbols meanings. Because ive seen about 37 answers to this cipher and non of them had the Zodiac’s real identity as he said.
He isnt the smartest person on the world. Its just that he saw a chance and took it.
WTH. I think i found it. The Zodiac must be using visable symbols that you see every day. I nodiced this at the library 😮
The math solution failed. Back to ZIP.
…there’s catch.
it may have NO meaning at all, did anyone think about it?
Yea. But the Zodiac doesnt make something so it wont have a meaning.
Here is another thing… While playing with the Zodiacs 340 cipher. I found out a pattern between some symbols. Very odd but still working through to get some words at least.
Some of you people as I see thing SFPD has something to do with it…
SFPD is San Fran. Police Department. It doesnt mean any chems or misc or whatever.
Another odd thing. He would put his score and their score. But it would always be SFPD = 0 until someday he stopped using it. Which makes me feel wierd about if the Zodiac is hiding something…
ACORDING TO MY BASE INFORMATION:
The + refers to the letter “E”
The “78th Symbol (Which is the whole black circle)” refers to the letter “T”
The “B” symbol refers to the letter “A”
The “P Backwards” symbol refers to the letter “O”
The rest is a bit confusing. But based on the letter frequencies these 4 Symbols have a bigger chance to contain these letters.
Good luck solving.
You guys need to read about solving the 340 on the Opord forum. They already solved it in May 2010
really, conrad… even farmer has abandoned all hope. you’ll have to jump on someone else’s bandwagon now. have you thought about becoming a gay rights activist?
I just realized that I’m doing the same thing that’s been done for the last 41 years. I have no imagination. I’m an idiot. I think my name is Conrad.
Farmer has not given up hope and police are still interested in Penn. The case is basically solved, need LE to officially solve it. You people are still chasing ghosts while Opord solved it using Zodiac’s own clues.
Conrad,
Farmer is a certifiable screwball with delusions of grandeur, but you?
You’re even more pathetic…..you’re an unintelligent, mewling little lapdog with no spine.
Write any more unproduced screenplays lately, clu-less?
Emil
Farmer has not given up hope and police are still interested in Penn. The case is basically solved, need LE to officially solve it. You people are still chasing ghosts while Opord solved it using Zodiac’s own clues.
What ever, I ask for one person, ONE! Give me one person outside of faggy farmers website who believes you idiots proved anything.
I won’t be holding my breath.
Nah nah nah nah nah
I believe the bottom of the cipher is the begining
I too have come to the conclusion that I’m a blathering idiot. Looking for a bell tower now. Fare thee well.
Conrad
I hate it when other people are taking my clean name to call me an idiot.
My name isnt Conrad.
Stupid people. Even the symbol next to the nickname isnt the same. People really need to get a life.
@ Emil.
The other solutions had simular problems. And 75% of them are ideas of the solution. And not what they got to.
I still believe that the Zodiac was a group.
People read this:
Look EXACTLY on the 6th line in the cipher.
Do you see when he erased a symbol to put the reversed “K”?
If anybody can find out what the erased symbol was. Please tell us. It can be a key for the cipher. Even if it had a small meaning.
And look at the “D” on the first line. He replaced the dot to a “D”. If you can relize. There is a string between these two symbols.
He makes no sence. He says he wants to kill innocent people. But these innocent people are girls. So the Zodiac used to stalk girls when he was young. If they refuse. He would kill them. And if that girl was with another man instead of him he would make sure to kill him too.
Plus this: He used to use a knife (As most think) to open the female victim and start looking at her body. Which looks like they used to have a sexual relation.
And he also wanted to kill people that come on TV. Like that woman on “Manson Family”. But why? I dont know. Is it because of the ad’s that block his favorite comedy channel? Or that she/he used to be boring?
He is a nerd on rage as I say. xD
Key the following solution into Oranchak’s Zodiac Webtoy for yourself if you don’t believe me …
It’s homo..homo..homophonic folks and what you see is a simple substitution of only a third of the solution key — AND THOSE RESULTS AIN’T RANDOM. Not the circled words (red); not the single shifted letters (orange: see how many additional whole words you have when you adjust those single letters?); and not the blue underlined repetitions–particularly throughout rows 17 & 18.
You people are simply supposing and guessing. Pay attention to Opord’s forum and you will see how to solve this case. Zodiac supplied all the clues in his letters/cards, riddles, ciphers. Only Opord was smart enough to figure it out.
Here’s the simple substitution (again, only a fraction of the complete homophonic key), but this time concentrating on section TWO (the “shoehorn” outlined in gray):
As evidence that the 340 cipher is split into three sections, I left the “w” and “theta extended” symbols in ciphertext. Look how Zodiac both grouped AND patterned those remaining symbols ABOVE [in section 1] and BELOW [in section 3] — NOT RANDOM! The dotted square [section 2 “shoehorn”] is the only symbol with frequency=1; guess what? It’s a Null.
Have OpordAnalytical analyze those last three rows — PEEK-A-BOO… NOT RANDOM.
ARTHUR LEIGH (LEE) ALLEN, my friends. Graysmith is RIGHT.
The FBI and other Law Enforcement is doing the analyzing now. 🙂
I think the code can be cracked. Its just a matter of the most common used words, finding the letters in the words, and matching them up. The maraculous writing used in this letter has to be rooted back to another sort of language or litterature. One day the code will be cracked…..and by that day he will have already died if not yet.
I is analyzing it right now. I finds dat it was da monkey, in da zoo, wit da banana.
still waiting emil for that one person or le agency that believes any of the crap that farmer spills. Waiting,,,,,,,, not holding my breath but waitng,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I didn’t think so, Not one! What a joke.
Hmm… Interesting.
De-cipher code.
Pattern try. Hax yet. 😦
“+” can only mean “E”
…try looking at it from someone who suffers from dyslexia. when you read the already deciphered letters they show signs of dyslexia so where a person of normal reading and writing trying to resolve the issue reacts to it they are not reading it in the same manner as the writer intended. the FBI should try resolving the puzzle with a puzzle/code cracker who has dyslexia, nothing to lose but all to gain
Forget dyslexia, Zodiac did not have dyslexia. The 340 cipher has already been solved by Opord Analytical and it shows who Zodiac is. The case is solved, just needs Law Enforcement to officially solve it.
Once again, I don’t know wtf I was thinking. I just want to pretend the cipher is solved because Farmer bends me like a pretzel and I love it. I promise to stop promoting his website, because it’s as useless as I am.
Hey Dork, obviously you have no brains. The 340 cipher was solved with info from Deborah perez and also using info from Gareth Penn’s book “Times 17” which is a Zodiac manifesto. But you just like shooting off your mouth before checking the facts.
Everybody see how dead Farmer’s site and Kaufman’s site have been, for like weeks?
OH, WAIT… THAT JUST MEANS THE FBI IS GETTING READY TO CONFIRM BOTH OF THEIR FINDINGS! SIT TIGHT. rotflol!
I’ve seen Farmer’s site. What a fucking joke. lol
Slight result: The symbol “H” cannot pattern with any other symbol.
All I can say is staring a the cipher is i can see at the bottom the words ‘SIGNED ZODIAC’ just simply backwards and rearanged with his symbols added just to make it more confusing, he was clearly Dyslexic from the letters he wrote to the police, also why say he was a genius because he messed around with symbols he made up and copied from books etc, he would have even made his own book with the sybols in that he obviously used as a guide, he sounds like kids i knew at school who lost himself in his own fantasy world inspired by lord of the rings etc who may even have had autism or adhd.
Zodiac WAS NOT Dyslexic and did not have autism. Zodiac started killing in the late 1940’s and killed until he died of cancer in 1983.
The second Zodiac killer (his partner) has a genius IQ and is still killing today.
Listen Conrad… for the las f*cking time… Penn was/is NOT Zodiac. And Guy Ward Hendrickson??? You’re pathetic. Go sniff Farmer’s butt.
Ok Emill where is your proof? you have as much proof as i do ….none!!!
But it IS proof. Proof that I’m intellectually bankrupt.
Emil,
Listen Conrad, your butt buddy farmer is a complete moron. Fagmer says ” I have solved the 340 by folding it up like a fan in the mikado” and points out stupid words that aren’t even words and goes on a red herring chase about a footpath in bum f@cked egypt.
Fagmer later, after he claims to have solved the 340 by folding it , says that he is now trying to solve it by actually using cypher cracking methods. Wait, I thought he already solved it? Go figure,
Then butt4food pulls the crossword puzzle approach out of her ass and farmers says , ” I am a gay idiot I was wrong both times I solved itmyself and you have the correct solution”
What a flippin joke, morons leading morons….
I have never seen a bigger group of idiots in my entire life, they believe all the stupid shit they spew and then say it is law enforcement that is dumb………
Still holding my breath for the one person outside of fagmers site that thinks any of that shit is for real,,,just one.
Hurry up I am turning blue in the face and feeling faint.
Well Me, all I can tell you is that the proof and info is in the hands of Law Enforcement now. Don’t get so upset, I thought everyone wants to catch Zodiac… well we are doing that. 🙂
Hey emil I find this really fascinating just wondering if you could explain abit more about the person/persons who solved this and maybe a link so I can go check it out for myself. I want to see what it says and who they think it was. Thanks alot
you’re next on penn’s list
Are you saying Penn will kill me next?
one can only hope
Tbh, I think the clues are in the misspelled words. try anagramming them if it hasn’t already been done.
Anathemas of degenerate labourer. Exasperate pedophiliac erection. Together limit polite choice.
People spend WAAAAAYYY too much time trying to read some significance into all the letters and ciphers. It is not difficult to make an unsolvable cipher. Zodiac was a genuinely shitty speller who liked to kill people and taunt police. He does not hold any profound knowledge of ANYTHING. He was a killer, a coward, and a douche.
Zodiac played a sophisticated, yet almost adolescent game of murder. He not only liked killing, he also wanted to prove he is smarter than all of Law Enforcement.
In his riddles, puzzles, ciphers etc. were clues to who he was, just as he said. Zodiac wrote; If you are able to solve these riddles and clues you will know who I am and you will have me. He was not kidding.
There was significance to all of Zodiac’s letters and cards.
Zodiac was not some idiot, he knew what he was doing and he did like killing. Everything is there if you can just figure it out. Some people already have.
I like killing, killing is so much fun… this is Zodiac speaking!
Let me make it clear, however, that Chris Farmer has done NOTHING to shed light on this case. Steer clear of OPORD or you’re likely to become as braindead as its members.
ugh.. ive spent a lot of time on this.. i might have it.. but the Zodiac wasnt stupied, i think whoever solves this will be his last victim.. but will know who the Zodiac was… i personally think that Arthur LeighAllen wasnt the killer, because nothin points to him
I got the first couple of words! With that i can get a little of this!
You don’t have shit. You can put ANYTHING in the first few words. And as far as ALA goes, he was dismissed as a suspect years ago. Welcome to being out from under a rock.
Zodiac has already sent other puzzles to be figured out by those that have solved his prior ones. 🙂
chill out, god, i was kiddin, u r like obsessed with this
Emil, wtf ever good bye idiot.
The info is in law enforcements hands. blah blah blah…
yeah and they say, “well it is a bunch of weird spreculative shit that kind of reminds me of that other idiot from years past,,,,,,um,,,,yeah Penn that’s it. Crazy shit you can’t prove anyway…oh well to the brown file it goes”
I mean wtf, they are not doing shit with it cuz it aint shit fuck get a clue already.
Of course, you are all knowing and have actually solved the case yourself. You now have Zodiac tied up in your basement. :BZ
I am not stupid enough to claim I am solved the zodiac case. Y would I do that, unless I am an idiot like fagmer.
My god, after all these years of having solved the case against there has been no arrest. I know fagmers answer to it is that LE doesn’t comprehend the information they were given by him.
What dumbass, he needs to stick to the shitty sci-fi novels he rights cuz that is what he has written when it comes to his zodiac reports.
when i say shitty i mean f’n shitty
I take it in the butt.
Wow, that’s the most intelligent thing I’ve had to say in months.
Zodiac will not be arrested, he will continue killing and die of natural causes. Zodiac has won again.
solving this damn thing wont help, so why bother tring? get a life for Gods sake, instead of lookin at 340 stupied symbols that the guy prolly wrote when he was drunk
The 340 cipher is already solved…. and Zodiac killed again in 2010.
THE ZODIAC KILLER
Do you know from wher he come?he come from Germany.
Do you know his origin country? his origin is from Germany.
Do you know his child culture?.his after war culture and Aryan race.
Do you know the motivations of the crimes?complex childhood.
The perfection and the ability of this person?the German perfection.
He saw his mother killed.by his father.when he was a child.
He like adolf hitler .
He looking for the perfect woman.not the weak one.
The importance of any child age is his 1st 7 years..
what happind to this child at his child age?
This is the history of a child, with Poor mother without power ,with a tough dad
renegade child,beaten by father.no one defends..This is the child school of the good character,and the human values.
has grown to become a man who hates weak women.and tough men.
This is the psychological portrait of the zodiac killer.
he is grew up in Germany..village name is. GOLENTZ. DER. VOLE.STRAßE
THE ZODIAC KILLER NAME IS.
HAMALMAR GASßARTS.FRIDEL.
Tall and skinny.
Broad shoulders.bald started.gray hair,pilot glasses,dogmatist, orderly. strict rules/
he dont like cats..cats means in his mind weak women…….
I had used Darlene Ferrin photo to connect him..one of his victems.
data.21.03.2011…done.
Lamdi ..esp..vision.
from. the internet…Golenz is situated in the destination of Germany. Lies in the eastern part of country.As to the administrative division, Golenz belongs to Sachsen .
I’ve done a little of looking at the text in the last few days. For all those who think it was encoded…wrong. Jumping letters around in different areas of the message…wrong. Look at the writing. It is made with a felt tip marker/pen, slowly gettiing thicker as it goes down the page. It wasn’t copied due to the fact that the 5th line square was blacked out and a “K” was placed above. As a hint..if you want to read it and it to make sense all the “.” are the end of a sentence. The “9” and the “triangle” with a “dot” is someones name. I see it as “NINA”. The common symbol of the zodiak, is the word “YOU”. All the “O”‘s are either “YOU” or a “Oooh” sound. It is just a sound replacement text.
The other text that he sent in the “MY Name is Letter”, using the same type replacement says, “ALL want to Know MY NAME”
I have about 80% of the 340 done and it is reading as a type of comment letter to a girl to stop her ways.. 11th line down “U +R / O LEIDY” Phonetic for “YOU TRY, YOU LADY”
Below that, 12th line, “YOUR “C” DEALER IS NOT HOME”
Second to last lines translated “IF KISS LOCAL BOY YOU BEING DECIEVED”
Last line does not say “ZODIAC” using the same theme for translation…ZO AA IK IT. “YOU MAY LIKE IT”
It is apparent that the other decipher text was created by the replacment of letters and symbols. The 340 is not. Hince 2 different styles/2 different people.
The last symbol, on the bottom is simple “YOU”
TAK A OOK A+ Diz N C ef O CN RDN i+
I could be wrong though….
So basically it says at the botton “Take A Look At This And See If You Can Read It”
Could “YOUR “C” DEALER IS NOT HOME” Could the “C” in this sentence mean Cocaine or Crack maybe he aas in love with a drug addict who was also a prostitute, he could not see himself able to cope with someone he fell in love with being so messed up so when he saw loving couples he wanted to destroy them? just a theory
63^26? I count 64 unique characters. The forward-facing P is hollow in some places, filled in at others.
Jeesh… I told you the 340 cipher is already solved.
GOOD GOD! Emil is now posting about Opord Analytical’s Zodiac-solving “success” (referencing Deborah Perez) at the Beth Spotswood Blog. Emil, it was long ago clear that Ms. Perez needs professional help (I sincerely hope she’s getting it), I believe we should just drop referencing her name from now on.
Ms Perez is not of any mental disorder, she is a sane sound woman. The 340 cipher was solved with info from Ms Perez and also with info from Gareth S Penn’s book “Times 17”.
In the 340 cipher we find the names “hendrxson” meaning Guy Ward Hendrixson, “Gareth Sewell Penn”, “debbie” meaning Deborah Perez”, and Crabtree, meaning the first husband of Darlene Ferrin.
But you all go ahead and keep over-looking the truth so that you can chase fairy tales and things that go bump in the night.
Keep it up Conrad. You’ve already hit rock bottom and begun to dig. If your stupid theory had any credence, there would have been an arrest by now. Do us all a favor and please just shut the f*ck up. You are an incredible annoyance.
I will not shut up, tell Zodiac to shut up. Zodiac is officially killing again, he started in 2010… though he also killed in 2004 and 2006 and probably others we don’t know about.
Hopefully Law Enforcement will get him.
Yes, hopefully LE WILL get him (the real Zodiac, that is). Then you and Farmer can stop pretending that you have brains. Though even Farmer must know by now how foolish his theory was/is.
You must be Penn, trying to lead us away from the truth.
I have seen the OPORD site and its Zodiac-related content. It can’t believe I read Mr. Farmer’s entire report without having my brain implode from the sheer nonsense he has outlined. Was this actually presented to the police? Seriously? Gareth Penn will likely die from laughing himself silly. The police are soon to follow. Nearly any other Zodiac site has more useful material than that one. But thanks for the giggles.
I agree. Sheer stupidity. Has anyone considered that “emil” is likely Farmer? I mean, who else would promote such rubbish? To think that I’ll never get back the time I wasted reading that thing. sigh.
The 340 cipher solved theories are 2.
The first is by folding the paper which I dont think the killer would actually go to (As what in the world would he do with the other symbols?)
The second has over 10 grammer mistakes (The Zodiac Killer might be a genious, and may make a few grammer mistakes, but not over 10 grammer mistakes in only one cipher. concluding mistakes in the simplest words)
I consider the 340 STILL not-completely-solved
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At this time I got to very very interesting resluts about the patterning, now all I have to do is put letters instead of the symbols (Much of guessing). But then I will get a REAL result.
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Signed The McNX
P.S: Can you believe I got to a great result in less than 4 days of beginning work on this cipher?
It isn’t hard, it just needs time… and some chess pieces. 🙂
I am not Farmer. I am just a 9th grader that likes solving ciphers.
By the way: Even if one of us comes to be Farmer, I think this thread was made for a reason to discuss the cipher between our hands… and not bitching each and other and the Zodiac Killer.
The case is in our hands
Not the FBI
Not the police.
Not some damn hippie that lives in our property. (Whoever I am taking about not being offensive)
Stop being un-human. If you have no buisness here then hit the road… or the other websites on the internet.
First thing you must learn is that Zodiac is not some schmuck killer who just goes out and finds someone to kill.
Though at times he does do that, he looks for good places to find helpless victims and kills them as he sees fit, gun, knife, strangle.
Zodiac (both of them) are smarter than the average serial killer. The one who died of cancer killed 50 or more people between the late 1940’s and 1983. Never caught and went to his grave at age 68.
The present Zodiac was his partner in the infamous Zodiac murders and is 20 years younger. He killed in 2004, 2006, and 2010, probably other dates also. He has 3 college degrees and a Genius IQ. I have spoken with him 4 times and he knows that I and the people I work with realize he is Zodiac. However, true to form, he does not think anyone is smart enough to get him, he even told me that on the phone.
He has issued 3 new puzzles in the late 2010 and Opord has solved one of them. With the solving of this puzzle it showed that the murder in 2010 was indeed Zodiac. And there will be more, with other clues showing Zodiac did them.
My friends, Zodiac is OFFICIALLY killing again, and once again daring us to catch him.
As Sherlock Holmes would say… Watson, the game is afoot”.
Zodiac IS back
Emil,
After being subjected to your bloated, misguided theories, I am now going to slit my wrists with my own razor.
Sincerely,
William of Ockham, F.B.G.E.S.S.H.
(Franciscan Brothers of Getting Emil Some Serious Help)
“Entia non sunt multiplicanda sine necessitate.”
P.S. see: “Occam’s razor” in Wikipedia
I’d go with that ninth grader’s “solution” before I ever bothered to take emil’s delusional rants seriously. NO ONE takes you seriously, Conrad. Please stop cluttering internet space with your lunacy.
But Gareth, Phuong Le asked me to post things on the internet. Could Zodiac have actually been killing me in effigy when he killed Phuong Le? Tick Tock Tick Tock
We will get you Zodiac.
have no knowledge of this what so ever..was watching documentary on zodiac today..just wondering if the last one may not be in english???maybe spanish or something and then translated…again no clue just a thought for someone to look into
If you want any information on the Zodiac Killer, this is NOT the place to find it. It is only a message board for Conrad and his boot-licking support of OPORD and Chris Farmer. Don’t bother asking intelligent questions here, as Conrad (aka, emil) will only deluge you will useless speculation on Gareth Penn and Guy Ward Hendrickson – neither of whom were, are, or will ever be the Zodiac Killer.
Do a simple Google search on the Zodiac Killer. MANY reputable sites will come up with myriad information. OPORD Analytical, however, is not one of them. Do yourself a favor and avoid it entirely. It’s people like Farmer and Conrad who have spread disinformation and confusion in regards to this case. They are intellectually bankrupt.
Gareth I think thou dost protest to much… you know that Opord is on to something and it bothers you. See, while all others are out chasing ghosts, opord is pinning down the Zodiac killer. Many reputable sites? You mean sites who tell you info that is 40 years old? You mean sites where people keep revisiting old Zodiac murder sites and have picnics and drinks while rehashing old crap?
It is because these other sites had no idea how to pursue Zodiac, that he has stayed free and laughs at them.
Zodiac should realize that he will at least get 3 meals a day on death row. Better than his victims got.
Farmer is an ass. Emil is the turd from Farmer’s ass.
Wow! We are really getting some intellectuals in here.
I got the pattern code to the 340 cipher, all I need now is to try to put letters instead of the crytogram’s letters and I might have an answer.
Seriouslly people, I have the 340 cipher between my hands..
~The McNX
The 340 cipher has already been solved by the Opord forum people. It shows the names of the two Zodiac killers, several people they knew, and names and places of Zodiac murders, some not even known to Law Enforcement.
The Opord solving for the 340 cipher is very interesting indeed by using the 408 cipher to solve it. But there are problems with that.
1: I tryed the same thing way before I knew this way of solving by her. and I think its nonsence (even though its a great idea). Because its a matter of putting words together (crosswords as I say). I think that the Zodiac would prefer making a letter than a game.
2: So many problems with putting letters instead of the cryptic symbols, as the first symbol can only be used 4 times in the cipher itself, but her using the most common letter in the alphabet (The letter “T” to be exact) and trying to pattern it with the other letters is much wrong according to what the others have got to, including I.
3: The Zodiac is too smart to go use the 408 as a clue for the 340. Because he knows when one is solved all of them will be solved according to which one will be solved too.
4: The 340 has a very strong connection with the “My name is” cipher, so the hint to that must be included in the 340 (I can also guess without solving the 340 that Farmer’s answer to that cryptogram is correct, according to logic.)
5: Words like “Farmer” and others will be contained in that kind of solving, which had nothing to do with the cipher, as there is no connection between Zodiac and Farmer, they didn’t even hear about each other..
Convinced emil?
End.
Keep working on it, it isn’t solved yet. Believe me..
NO I’m not convinced! You keep working on it and I’ll look at what you have when you solve it. I am convinced Opord’s solving of the 340 is correct.
You presume too much. How can you say Zodiac would rather make it a letter than a game? Did you know Zodiac personnally? Do you know exactly how he thinks? You can not presume things when looking for an answer.
@ Emil
You were saying about talking to the Zodiac’s assistant 4 times after the twenty first century murders.
Either you are the him, or with him, as long as you know him why didnt you report that in the past.
Plus, her idea in making the 340 is good, but still, the Zodiac would use the 408 for the 340. He is too smart.. Impossible.
Plus you cant connect anything between the 408 and 340. Connecting those words is what I can call “non-sense”. For ANYTHING can come out with you.
That is not a complete answer..
I never spoke to any assistant, I spoke to Zodiac. After his partner died in 1983 HE alone became Zodiac. The 340 was a combination of the 408 symbols and a word game puzzle. Opord solved it properly.
No, the Zodiac used all the 408 symbols adding some-more to create the 340.
Plus this: The 340 is a string to solving the Mt. Diablo cipher, with also adding the Radians and the # of the Radians.
And all we have from the solving of Opord is a word game puzzle with infinite possibilities..
Not a proper answer, It must be a letter..
McNX are you really Penn, trying to confuse things with some misdirection?
Who are you to say “it must be a letter”? Do you presume to know exactly what Zodiac is thinking? Opord solved the 340 properly and it shows who the Zodiac killers are.
Hey, you are the one that was talking to the Zodiac, if you know who his is why dont you tell us..
Plus: If the 340 is a crossword puzzle, then it will be the only crossword puzzle the Zodiac created, even though people are trying to convince me that the Zodiac used a kiddys crossword puzzle to create this, but I am not convinced.
If you know from the Opord Solving who the killer(s) are.. tell me..
Plus this.. Solving it with crossword has INFINITE possibilities, so maybe most or even all the suspects should come up..
I dont agree finding the killer(s) name in a crossword, because the Zoddiac would have knew that someone would solve it after the 408 was solved, so he wouldnt include any names related to him in the 340.
Plus: AS I SAID: The 340 is connected to the Mt Diablo code, so how does Opord’s solving for the 340 solve the Mt Diablo?
~McNX
At the last point I got to this: To solve the Mt Diablo code you must solve the 340 code then use Radians with the 340 and the map to get somewhere.
I can also say that the bomb is a mine, for it was never blowed away, so it must be a trap to get smart heads out of the way of the zodiac
First of all you have to be able to decide which of Zodiac’s riddles, clues, ciphers etc. are for real. Zodiac gives clues to who he is, but he also gives misdirection to throw people off. He doesn’t want it to be to easy for people to solve. That’s why it took 40 years to get this far.
The 340 IS NOT a crossword puzzle, it IS a word puzzle there is a difference.
To find out who the Zodiac killers were/are, read the Opord forum and it tells
you. I know that Opord has solved the 340, so does Zodiac. The reason why people like you could never solve the Zodiac’s riddles, clues, ciphers is because you presume to much. Don’t presume, use the Zodiac’s writings and clues to solve it.
You guys are way behind… Zodiac has already issued new puzzles and has started another string of Zodiac kills in 2010. Zodiac has officially announced that he is back, and once again dares us all to catch him. Can Law Enforcement get him this time? We shall see.
Link me to the new puzzles then, I cant find them on the internet..
Look on the Opord Forum for the puzzles.
Link me the puzzles, all I could find were theories to the old puzzles.
If I’m not mistaken the circle with the cross in it extending outside the cross is used in the occult, he’s possibly saying that the cross and circle means that it represents the teutonic rune of death. Also in his coded message the circle with a single line running through it is used to indicate water when the line runs horizontal through the circle. He has also used a trident in his message or rather a symbol of enforcement among occult groups in addition I also see some symbols used in the 3rd century coptic inscription used in Egyptian coding. Demotic was written using a script derived from hieratic. The appearance is similar to modern Arabic script and it’s written from right to left. but the two aren’t related. Coptic is written using the coptic alphabet which is a modified Greek alphabet with a number of symbols that are borrowed from the Demotic for sounds that didn’t occur in Ancient Greek. In my opinion I get the feeling that this guy isn’t from Los Angeles, He’s probably Greek, Egyptian, or possibly Arabic, and is or was involved in the occults. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was a university professor who thinks he knows more than anyone else.
@ Hachipisali
Are you saying the Zodiac is a terrorist? Very unlikely, for this guy has to have a genious IQ, plus that if he was Greek or Arabic he would be more suspicious than any other suspects for the Zodiac crimes.
The circle with the cross is KKK if I am not mistaken.
@ emil
Gimme a link. >:o
Its impossible, the patterns of the symbols of the word puzzle is extremely wrong.
Very wrong.
This proffs the word puzzle isn’t the answer, I say lets seek it as a letter, like the 408.
Why? Lets say the 408 wasnt solved to this day, would you still make it a word puzzle? It is a letter, so should the 340, the zodiac wants to tell us something, or a clue to a cipher.
The 408 was just a beginning to solving his ciphers giving his nature of killing to the reader, the 340 must be the rest as I say.
Its a LETTER.
Now give me the links to the new ciphers so I can try to solve them all.
proves*
Jesus, get a life Conrad.
You guys are a riot, it’s because of guys like you that Zodiac was never found out for 40 plus years. Isn’t it Gareth? Zodiac knows the case is solved.
Emil, give me links of the new ciphers.
hmm seems like everything mixed into one thing, theres moabite in there i think or early phoenician idk but it means the same in bot languages XD and there’s one guy who thought the circle with the cross in it meant it waw\s something from k.k.k. it’s not it means the zodiac sign in astrology. either that or that’s the letter t. and also a backwards k? WTF?!?!?! i thought that only showed up in baseball XD
You people have about as much understanding of Zodiac as I have about Quantum Physics. Read the Opord forum and find out who Zodiac is and what he’s about.
Actually, I think you have EXACTLY as much understanding as you do about quantum physics. But you’re wonderful at licking Farmer’s boots. Great work, Conrad. lol
Anonymous do stay anonymous because that way you can make dumb remarks and no one will know who you are. The people on the Opord forum have done great work on researching the Zodiac case. They have found out who Zodiac is.
Fuck me, you are still here you idiot? My god you actually believe the stupid shit you spew. It is truly amazing how stupid some people are. The police will take Fagmers gay shit but they will say as they already have said , that Fagmers stupid shit is so ridiculous just like that idiots fantasy novels. You can’t prove any of it because it is so far out in left feild.
My god, I will bet you as much money as you want that no matter how much time passes you Fagmers stupid self inflated ego bullshit will never ever be excepted and LE is currently laughing at him as another cook. I could go on and on about all the shit that idiot has claimed to solve but has no proof for any of it. He will boot anyone from his fag board that raises a doubt and keep it full of idiots like you conrad!
sorry Emil that last comment was from me
Farmer is a egomaniac. Unfortunately, he’s also stupid.
Conrad bends over for him daily.
There are only four active posters left on the OPORD forum – I wonder why? lol
Conrad, you are truly pathetic. See if you and Farmer can unscramble this code… UFCKYOULOSERS
All you do is knock other people…. how about doing something to catch Zodiac? Of course Farmer has already done most of that.
Zodiac is well aware that Farmer is his only real opponent.
I say Holmes, this Zodiac case is a bit of a Stickey Wicket.
Yes Watson but Zodiac knows we are on to him. The game is afoot!
Post as emil, post as anonymous, post as anything you want. Fact is Conrad, you’re still an idiot. LE will never take Farmer seriously,,, because he’s seriously stupid. You’ve done nothing but entertain Penn for months now. Dick.
We will all pray that you come to your senses. You are obviously not thinking straight.
You talking to Farmer? Or Conrad?
I’ve got no idea from where to start.
Zodiac is still killing and making a game out of it. But his time is near.
100mg Thorazine to Emil STAT!
Nurse Pilbow: “Medication time. Medication time.”
Nurse Ratched: “If Mr. McEmil doesn’t want to take his medication orally, I’m sure we can arrange that he can have it some other way. But I don’t think that he would like it.”
[These quotes have been brought to you by “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest”]
Zodiac killed in 2010 and 2011 and will kill again.
emil is retarded and will be retarded again.
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I am really interested in this.I’m not saying i can solve it, If anyone knows if there a site or something that has most of the zodiac symbols ie. m= then it says the sign that it is I cracked the signs for M,E,K,I and G ,through HOURS at the libary, but i need more so if anyone knows anything PLEASE share I dont care if anyone else has solved it already i just want, for myself, to make it feel as if I have solved it.
My email it alutchumon@googlemail.com
So yeah.. if you have anything MUCH appreciated!
Andrea, Opord Analytical has already solved the Zodiac’s 340 cipher.
Simply go to the Opord Analytical website and look on their forum.
Andrea, Zodiac’s 340 cipher has already been solved by Opord Analytical. Simply go to the Opord Analytical website and look in the forum.
“Medication time! Medication time!”
Opord couldn’t solve its way out of a paper bag.
How are Farmer’s boots tasting these days, Conrad?
Opord HAS solved it.
I found a painting in a thrift shop that is signed R. Junidt and this symbol of the O with the big plus sign through it. Does anyone know what this symbol means?
I appreciate any help I can get. Thanks
It definately is not from Zodiac, probably just the painter adding another touch.
Stephanie,
That symbol is a representation of Chris Farmer’s sphincter. It’s where emil lives.
Emil lives wherever he wants!
So you WANT to live up Farmer’s ass?
Medication time, medication time…
Finally someone came along who is smart enough to match wits with Zodiac. Farmer solved the case ans shows who Zodiac is. However, Zodiac will never be caught, he has proven over the last 40 plus years that he is the smartest serial killer ever. Will he kill again? Do apples grow on trees?
Listen rat turd, this is not the Opord forum. Nor is it a billboard for Farmer and his insane babblings. If anyone truly gave a shit about the idea that Penn might be Zodiac, then there would be more than two posters on said forum. Just admit it, Conrad; Farmer is a loser and his theories are trash. The fact that you continue to promote that site makes you more pathetic than Farmer.
Chris Farmer is a BUS DRIVER WHO LIVES WITH HIS MOTHER. PRICELESS!!! He is obviously mentally ill and you are only promoting his delusions emil. What a dick.
What is really pathetic is that people who supposedly want to find out who Zodiac is spend their time going to Zodiac’s murder sites and drinking beer and talking about the past. Zodiac had to be laughing about that. When will you people learn that Chris farmer has solved the Zodiac case?
Chris Farmer HAS to be a bus driver because it takes a bus running over you before you will realize he is right. Mentally ill… ha ha ha you are funny. Me thinks it is Zodiac who is mentally ill. Farmer is the only one in over 40 years who has been able to figure out Zodiac’s riddles, clues, and puzzles. You people need to lay off the marijuana and booze.
OPORD = Comedy Central
You know what nobody has tried yet (seen research and read up on it). Nobody has tried putting the original cipher under a UV light. Just a thought because if it goes under UV light and reveals something, then it may possibly lead us to another clue or even give us a hint as to who this guy is.
Hell, it may even give us a map of where he is/was, or something that gives us the answer. So this is a message to anybody who has the original, please put it under UV light and see what you come up with. YOU NEVER KNOW!
One last thing, that crossed out symbol is an E. Its end structure looks the same and it is around the same size as the other E’s.
Peace.
Look, the 340 was solved by Opord Analytical a year ago, if you want all the info go to their site.
It is apparent that this site is a complete waste of time for any Zodiac researcher. It is obviously not moderated and includes absolutely no useful information. As suggested MANY times by one spammer, I checked out OPORD. That site is an even BIGGER waste of time. Go away “emil”.
Emil, you are just sad..
Yes, very sad that Opord has shown who Zodiac is and he is not behind bars yet.
Because he is wrong.
What emil?? No ranting about OPORD and what an amazing turd Farmer is? I really was looking forward to my monthly dose of stupid. Or have you simply come to the realization that Farmer is useless? Doubt it.
Farmer is a turd on Zodiac’s wing walker. Quick, someone get a DNA swab!
boogernuts — your name explains it all
i Cracked some of the code if you read his code that was cracked in 1969 the misspelled words if said the fourth then third to te last of the second in each line atop of them after the first letter.
Now try saying that in English.
Hi, I’ve been trying to crack the Zodiac cipher and I’m a potato.
After looking at the letter in a very general sense, I think that his symbol signature is a clue; the letter is divided into 4 quadrants, with each one reading in a direction away from the center. The last line is almost clearly visible as “Signed” (backwards) and Zodiak (a&i swapped and a k instead of c)
I’m no cryptogrypher, but I do like to seek out general indicators. The two “-” at the exact center of the letter from top to bottom, also seem to confirm that hypothesis. I don’t know if that helps anyone, but I hope it does. Someone as deranged and dangerous as this guy needs to be found and brought to justice,if for nothing more than to bring some sense of peace to the victims’ families.
Zodiac has already been found and he is still taking lives. Will he be brought to justice? We will have to wait and see.
I’ve been working on the 340 cipher for nearly 20 years, and iI believe it is a mix of several different symbol-languages. I really think he may have just written this one to throw the police off…he’s long dead now, for sure. His first murder happened when I was 7. We may never know who the killer was…I’m going to keep trying. I have all the FBI files and articles and letters in a huge box…
ravere one of the two Zodiac killers is alive, the other died of cancer in 1983. The case is solved, go to http://www.opordanalytical.com and look on the forum under Zodiac killer case.
Holy shit. Are you STILL SPAMMING, emil/conrad? OPORD is one gigantic FAIL. How many members are there now? Three? Give it a fucking rest already. No cipher solution, no arrests, no Zodiac.
I apologize for being a retard and will no longer spam. I just love Chris so much that I’d do just about anything for him, except make him realize that he’s in need of mental help. Please (sniff) forgive me. I’m just an asshole with no life (sniff).
Zodiac killed in 2010 and will kill again
my dicks the biggest its 4 inches!!!
What about this site, man said he cracked this cypher.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2017738/Meet-man-claims-CRACKED-code-Zodiac-Killer.html
No, he didn’t crack it. Way to do your homework, fucktard.
What hogwash! Opord Analytical solved the 340 cypher over a year ago. We know who the Zodiac killers were/are.
OPORD couldn’t solve its way out of a paper bag.
Hello again people, it has been a very long time since I have been typing here.
Anyways, since I have been working on the 360 Cipher. I have been doing some analyzing on every symbol in the cipher. Comparing it to the 408 cipher. I decided to find if there was a pattern for the symbols exactly as the 408 cipher contains.
So, using lots of notebooks and chess-parts. I have noticed something that may create a little shock for most of you. I hope you do not mind what I will tell you next.
The next time I show up, I will put some images of my research on the PC and show you the results of the searching symbol by symbol so you can read and tell me if I was doing my work the correct way or if I may have mistaken in some data.
Anyways, the results in great briefing:
1: When I have finished from finding the ability of at least two symbols, (not three or more. I will explain later why I didn’t proceed.) from all the symbols to pattern. I have found out this:
A: There are 62 symbols in the 360 cipher, from these 62 symbols:
30 pattern-able symbols.
32 unpattern-able symbols.
But wait, there are only 26 letters in English! So it is impossible (even if all the pattern-able symbols were able to pattern all each with the other) to create a decent letter using all the symbols, because there will be at least 7 symbols that won’t be used.
So, I am able to say this:
It is hard to say that the 360 cipher is a letter as the 408 cipher, unless if an uppercase letter has a different symbol from its lowercase letter! Maybe even spaces or periods can have it’s own symbol.
Then, the 360 cipher would be a bit more legit than the past one.
B: Maybe the 360 cipher isn’t a letter, but maybe a map. The Zodiac compiled a map, (and we know that police don’t need to be given any maps for they are prepared with every item they might need.) so maybe it must be compared to it… or something as so.
C: To emil and Farmer and Opord, who think that the cipher is some word puzzle. Even I found my name in there. But I still stick to the fact that the Zodiac is not one person, but a group. That is how they outsmarted you all. Because you can’t think outside the box. And still claim as the Zodiac himself claimed that he is a “killer”.
But forgot that the Zodiac’s messages had different hand-writing. And his killings had different styles, from victim to victim. You forgot that and started pointing to one without the whole.
Anyways,
When I come back, I will put the pictures on web, and explain my method also. Anybody can contact me on my email. See you all soon.
themcnx@hotmail.com
X.
Ah, nevermind. I just read the daily news about the guy solving it… I don’t know anymore..
There were 2 Zodiac killers working together and also a helper.
The 340 cipher was solved properly by people from the Opord forum. Chris Farmer has solved many of Zodiac’s clues/riddles.
Zodiac knows that he has met his match in Farmer and Opord.
Zodiac will now kill no more because he knows people are on his trail. 2010 was Zodiac’s last murder. Law Enforcement will never get Zodiac, he will die without being caught, just as his partner did in 1983.
Fuck me, are you STILL HERE emil?? Believe me, for every stupid post you make claiming Farmer and his gaggle of idiots have solved ANYTHING, I’ll be here to remind everyone that you are nothing more than some boot-licking, spamming, lackey. If there is ANYONE who believes OPORD is worth the shit, please speak up! Or if you have a mind of your own and any sense at all, please join me in telling emil/conrad to SHUT THE FUCK UP. Thank you.
Are your favorite dogs Dobermans? Did you visit GWH in Southern CA?
Actually, I prefer boxers.
its so dstinct yet so simple
but y must he leave this cipher
To annoy you. Is it working?
Zodiac will kill no more, his time has come and gone.
I think he was at mcdonalds the other day , i think he had done some killing before he gave him self the name sodiac killer , i think that symbol represents a bulls eye , like seeing your victim in the Scope of a rifle .
This is the Zodiac Killer is how he began his letters , that interesting thought prevoking , i wonder what kind of personality he had or has.
All of the letters and both phone calls to police were a hoax. There was no connection whatever between the murders, and no “Zodiac Killer.” You can read more here:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008NCUCPU
I’m afraid that the hoax is the book. Zodiac was real and is alive. He killed in 2010 in N. Calif.
uh-huh. he’d be about, oh, 75 or so. very impressive.
Two idiots: Luznar and Horan. Doing more harm than good as usual. You morons should exchange phone numbers.
Just watched the movie Zodiac and ended up here! Good watch!
“Zodiac” with Robert Downey Jr is an excellent film. The only problem was the end where they thought Arthur Lee Allen was Zodiac. We now know who Zodiac really is since Opord Analytical solved the case.
emil. You are a dick. Stop spamming.
Thank you.
Its all over with that cipher.
Name revealed! and heres the real solution :
http://zodiac340cipher.thoughts.com/posts/zodiac-killer-s-340-cipher-cracked-now
What HOGWASH! Opord has the real solution.
This site for fools and trolls only.
That means you, Conrad.
And the 340 was not solved. Dumbass.
I figured out the last line you have to ignore and repeat letters… last line reads this is zodiac speaking
The llth line reads R/OT(upsidedown)E then that may mean role in some way
after the e in role is DI take the E from role and it says DIE backwards under the D in Die skip the Black O’s and it says Dice put it all together and it says Role>Die>Dice. That has to mean something i am in 7th grade. Please email me at ticotyler@yahoo.com if you think it means something or have to add to it.
try to translet it to german language..mebe you wll find somthing.because the zodiac k.is from germany or austria..this is what i seen in my visions 100% sure.i hearing him speaking german language.
Has anyone ever considered that the 2 only survivors may be the suspects and included themselves in the attacks to throw off investigators? Even to the point that one of the survivors is close friends with one of the first investigators to this day. Hmmm, now that’s thinking outside the box…
That is one of the stupidest theories I’ve EVER heard regarding Zodiac.
i wonder if he sleeps well
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Bye
After reading all the comments here, I have to agree with Conrad.
“If you can’t see that you better get glasses”.
If the Zodiac was standing in front of you screaming out I am the Zodiac, most of the intellectually dull people in here would carry on looking for him.
It’s simple to solve and yet people try all types of theories and absurd jargon that makes me laugh.
Let me prove my point!
Which of you “Buffs” can tell me what Zodiac meant with the 13 slaves he has waiting for him in paradice?(sic).
I’m prepared to establish that no one here but Conrad will know the answer.
If there is no answer, Conrad will provide a stupid one anyway.
There is an answer, but no one here like yourself knows what it is. I know. And as for Conrad, he has everyone wrapped around his little finger. Why do people have so much animosity toward Conrad?
Your 15 minutes never happened, you are just like all the other idiots on this forum. If Zodiac was standing in front of you shouting I’m the one, I’m the one, you would brush him aside and carry on searching for him. Wake up and smell the coffee sunshine. Anyway it’s actually intellectually dull communicating with people on this thread. Like Hour Glass said before, who can give him an answer on the 13 slaves question? Yep, that’s right. No one.
So no one knows. What’s your point? Except to point out the obvious? People claiming to have deciphered the 340 or anything else are a dime a dozen. Conrad is a prime example of someone who has embraced yet another stupid theory. Yawn. If you, brave anonymous, feel that promoting stupid theories is beneficial, then that is entirely your problem. Flame on.
Slow down boys. Easy does it. Anonymous, thank you for your wise words. Your 15 minutes never happened, when the name Conrad pops up, you are like a raging bull. You need to take a chill pill. Conrad has not embraced a stupid theory. I gave him the answer to the 13 slaves riddle. If you had spent countless hours analysing the case, you might have come up with some constructive points yourself. But, like all the other “Einstein’s” here, who simply don’t have the foggiest about the Z case, you sit on the fence and criticise people instead of asking how they got their information.
HUCKSTER MIKE
[“The numptiest desperado who ever trod the soil of Arizona”]
I read the crime blotter on my paper run
Delivering Gotham’s news to Jamie Farr’s mum
I never graduated university
Took every comic book workshop I could
And I dreamed of my “forthcoming” book
While I read my Norman Mailer and studied Bugliosi
Hit Google Groups and paid my site dues
And got sycophantic forum views
I knew my trolls were gonna love me, without a doubt
I was sure that Graysmith would answer me on the phone
John Douglas would quote me in his next tome
But the “facts” have come and gone
And I’m sorry to say that’s not the way that it’s all worked out
I’m an extra on the Tombstone stage
Huckster Mike is the name
And I’m doin’ 34 shows every day
And every time it’s the same
“Doc Holliday” shoots; my ass hits the ground
Dust myself off for another go round
Now I’m lurkin’ on the Web in a bitter rage
‘Cause I’m workin’ on the Tombstone stage
Oh, the critics, why can’t they see
I am the next Truman Capote
Thought I’d be the toast of Coast to Coast or maybe Sky Valley Chronicle
Aw, but don’t bother tryin’ to IMDb me
The only place you might possibly see me
Is ridin’ my little mule around the OK Corral
Not exactly my plan at all
But I’m an extra on the Tombstone stage
Huckster Mike is the name
And I’m doin’ 34 shows every day
And every time it’s the same
I would’ve killed if I published “Death Machine”
But what’s the difference, now that I’m a has-been
‘Cause I’m slingin’ cap guns and pratfallin’ for low-wage
And I’m workin’ on the Tombstone stage
I should be there in Hollywood
Knockin’ ‘em dead with “The House That Wept Blood”
But instead I’m here fallin’ on my ass
Again and again and again and again and again and again and again
“Yellowbelly peddling a bad theory, I’m your huckleberry!”
“You crazy crackpot lunatic prevaricating cuss…”
“And there it is, The Radian Theory too tough to die!”
“What have I done with my life?!”
I shoulda listened when Sheriff Wark said
“Why don’t you blog about haircuts instead?”
Now my hopes have all vanished; my dreams have flown the Birdcage
And I’ll probably work forever as an extra on the Tombstone stage
Huckster Mike is the name
And I’m doin’ 34 shows every day
And every time it’s the same
Swaggering down Allen Street, in chaps and black sneakers
My hat’s so small ‘cause my bandwidth is weaker
Always said I’d be famous… Siri can’t find my page
‘Cause I’m workin’ on the Tombstone stage
I’m a bad actor on the Tombstone stage
[Last line of chorus repeated by voice of Apple’s iPhone “Siri”]
[As song fades, Siri is heard asking: “I’m sorry, we’re you looking for ‘failed reenactment cowpokes’ in Arizona?”]
This seems to be the work of one Thomas Horan.
Just got hit by a lightning strike – I think it might be the works of the Zodiac a.k.a Penn
This is for you. You know I know who you are. It’s never to late….
I was once sad and lonely,
Having nobody to comfort me,
So I wore a mask that always smiled;
To hide my feelings behind a lie.
Before long, I had many friends;
With my mask, I was one of them.
But deep inside, I still felt empty,
Like I was missing a part of me.
Nobody could hear my cries at night
For I designed my mask to hide the lies.
Nobody could see the pain I was feeling
For I designed my mask to be laughing.
Behind all the smiles were the tears
And behind all the comfort were the fears.
Everything you think you see,
Wasn’t everything there was to me.
Day by day,
I was slowly dying.
I couldn’t go on,
There was something missing..
Until now I’m still searching
For the thing that’ll stop my crying.
For someone who’ll erase my fears,
For the person who’ll wipe my tears.
But till then I’ll keep on smiling.
Hiding behind this mask I’m wearing.
Hoping one day I can smile,
Till then, I’ll be here.. waiting.
Mr. G.S.P
I wait in anticipation together with excitement for your reply to my letter.
Huckster Mike = Mike Butterfield
Zodiac, Zodiac I really know your game
Funny thing is, I even know your name
Behind the pseudonyms and all the things you say
I believe you once lived somewhere around the Bay
When Valerie saw you being baptized
Your head bobbed from side to side
It probably was a recipe for the future
Original Sin you being able to nurture
From Berkeley to Germany and back again
You set your game up and toasted with champagne
Masterfully set in concrete and stone
You always believed the meannies would leave you alone
The hints you give are subtle and true
No one has been able to see them but I certainly do
From Sandra to Mary Ann and finally Diane
Did they get to know the mask behind man?
So what does the count stand at now?
I wonder if you will still go Pow Pow Pow
I believe you see the world in equations
You might only get do it on special occasions
The question still stands
And I don’t know the answer
The girl that broke your heart
Was she a tap dancer?
1,2,3 I have something for thee,
Puzzles you have given are there for us to see
Solutions to them we still try and find
The only way to do it is get inside your mind
4,5,6 the puzzles hide many tricks
You built them solid like a wall of bricks
I’m sure when solved they will show us little
Proving once again to be your acquittal
7,8,9 in the Sierra Club pines
Was up to us to read between the lines
You and only you will ever, ever know
If there’s a body that still lies below
10,11,12 it’s known you once lived in Carmel
And kept all your secrets from your 3 mesdemoiselles
The sad thing for you are the children you have
They will never know the man they daily call dad
13,14,15 Original Sin still lays deep within
Embedded in your flesh like a firing pin
Your game was played together with a conjoined twin
Set up in a house, motor inn or West Berlin
16,17,18 how well you set up your Zodiac smoke screen
Using a projector and a type writing machine
Your evil brain at work like a hungry wolverine
Exposing how good you are at your geometric mean
19,20,21 how did you feel when you held the gun
All those nights you went on your midnight run
All the lives you ended so quickly and cold
You won’t go unpunished, God will take His twofold
22,23,24 there’s a way to heaven but you need to do more
Start asking for forgiveness by knocking at the door
Before ashes to ashes, and dust to dust
Do what is right, fair, honourable and just
“The Life Of 3.14159265359”
Part I
Listen, stand closer now people
I have a story to tell
About a child who grew up to be
One of Americas most notable Bel Esprit
1941 was the year it all began
Hugh and Jean parents to a Renaissance Man
The childhood then got somewhat in tatters
With Hugh leaving the show and the family shatters
A new fatherly figure emerges in the scene
He fits somewhat snugly like a pair of Blue Jeans
Known as Miles Standish if you know who I mean
I wonder he if knew about the Infernal machine
Fast forward thirty years and the child is a man
He abandoned mother Jean like she was Harmattan
Mental illness she had was hard on everyone
It would have stung the family like a Gatling Gun
“The Life Of 3.14159265359”
Part II
Wife number one at Berkeley he had suddenly met
In a class or German literature the love affair Crepe Suzette
Her name was Sandy Scott and Christiane their first-borne
It might have been a birth of sometime in the Morn
In 1962 from Berkeley to Germany
On a Fulbright scholarship he would certainly be
The marriage to Sandy Scott got all together soured
Probably thought of him has a complete and utter Coward
In 1965 into the military he got drafted
As a military surveyor the game was being crafted
Within a few more months he again got really Hearted
A new love affair had suddenly just been Charted
Now, wife number two at a party he had met
Her name was Mary Ann and they did some Tête-à-Tête
In Vallejo 1968 a teaching job she would take
A paper about Tristan back at Berkeley he would Gnóthaigh
“The Life Of 3.14159265359”
Part III
In knowledge and degrees he made it his reliance
The one he liked the most – Master of Library Science
Librarian he would be and in Vallejo he would nest
Little Felix came along so he was truly and surely blessed
Mensa he would join and in The Echporizer he would write
I bet he saw the articles as his own Turkish Delight
Both My Rosetta Stone and Lima Riki he would author
He might have seen himself as Geoffrey the one and only Chaucer
From Portrait of The Artist to The Third Knife his magnum opus
Written so compelling like a beautiful blue Egyptian lotus
Suddenly his mind was set and a new target he would make
On a Berkeley public professor he made his Salisbury steak
Michael Henry O’Hare the man he began accusing
Very cleverly done so people he began confusing
Many letters he would write still with Michael on his sight
The web he had constructed just like a red spider mite
“The Life Of 3.14159265359”
Part IV
Times 17 a book the author would painstakingly Write
Masterfully created and intricately Benight
A momentous discovery in 1980 he had Surveyed
The Mt. Diablo Radian he would certainly Masquerade
A man of good birth and excellent Education
A phenomenal mathematical faculty was part of his Gestation
Brings the reason why Times 17 was definately Created
‘Cause another man of the same intellect he surely Hated
When you analyze the man you are guranteed to Find
A genius with extraordinary mental powers in love with his Mind
Like Holmes and Moriarty in The Final Problem would Stun
To the man in disguise there can be only One
When the love of your life daily lays in your Brain
Did he ever think of making the Z sign as The Cross of Lorraine
The sign has stayed the same till this very day
Did he design and create it while watching The Mikado Play
“The Life Of 3.14159265359”
Part IV
Times 17 a book the author would painstakingly Write
Masterfully created and intricately Benight
A momentous discovery in 1980 he had Surveyed
The Mt. Diablo Radian he would certainly Masquerade
A man of good birth and excellent Education
A phenomenal mathematical faculty was part of his Gestation
Brings the reason why Times 17 was definately Created
‘Cause another man of the same intellect he surely Hated
When you analyze the man you are guranteed to Find
A genius with extraordinary mental powers in love with his Mind
Like Holmes and Moriarty in The Final Problem would Stun
To the man in disguise there can be only One
When the love of your life daily lays in your Brain
Did he ever think of making the Z sign as The Cross of Lorraine
The sign has stayed the same till this very day
Did he design and create it while watching The Mikado Play
get a life
“The Life Of 3.14159265359”
Part V
A geodestic dome home later would he try and Build
The home wasn’t finished maybe due to him being Unskilled
The architecture of the house mirrors the structure of a human Head
The man in love with his brain definitely wasn’t brain Dead
He’s a maker and solver of many, many Puzzles
With codes, ciphers, anagrams, acrostics, hieroglyphics the man you can’t Muzzle
He sprinkled his stories with sly references to Himself
But built them so solid like the Antarctic ice Shelf
He tends to correct you if a mistake you should Make
Showing his prowess and with it takes the Cake
With sly remarks many people he would Shake
Didn’t even blink it was like he was on a coffee Break
The letters he wrote to The Economist would prove to Be
The corrections he made for the entire country to See
The man is an Artist in all facets of the Game
Very, very soon I will most likely reveal his Name
“The Life Of 3.14159265359”
Part VI
The confir-mation of cer-tain articles to my knowl-edge he would Make
I wonder if Lewis Carroll’s persona in the letters he would Take
Paper from various sizes and Purple ink pens he would have in his Path
It would be interesting to know if he made use of a Nyctograph
With letters containing puzzles, pranks, and acrostics us he would Tease
If he had to ask Carroll for permission to use visual effects would he say Please
The confusion in one’s mind to the Zodiac doesn’t Matter
With it the hearts of many people throughout the years he would Shatter
Prodigies of evil as a boy would be definite morbid Fantasies
He would carry them out as a man just like King Ramesses
Kira Mili in a previous incarnation he would most likely Write
Maybe he saw Carol Doda doing her stuff all throughout the cold San Francisco Night
Like Tantalus son of Zeus put the gods to a Test
He had the pigs running around thinking they were doing their Best
He continued to tease with “by rain” an anagram for “Binary”
He would be laughing with a glass of red in a local Winery
“The Life Of 3.14159265359”
Part VII
This is the Zodiac speaking became the known Signature
We could have confused him for Lord High Commissioner
A mind so astute it proves to be an incredible open Theatre
Actor, producer, audience, designer, protagonist in this his Vaudeville Theatre
To us a teacher and informer he desires to Be
Astutely uses his Intellectual DNA to make us look like Petite Bourgeoisie
A murderous art project or his invisible geometry it would Be
We can also assume he would make use of Astronomy
3 digit codes is Modus Operandi would certainly Possess
To find them you’ll need to make use of the latest G.P.S
The only problem is he never needed to Reassess
His work was so well constructed like it or not we need to Acquiesce
To 3141 Paradise drive people he would Lead
I’m sure in his mind he had already Agreed
That people would not be smart enough to figure out
So he thought of the audience like the common Horned Pout
“The Life Of 3.14159265359”
Part VIII
Now in 221B Baker Street he certainly could have Lived
I wonder if he and Holmes the address had Contrived
The Baker Street Irregulars were never to be Deployed
The game is going nicely and he’s surely Overjoyed
A master of disguise Holmes would prove to Be
The man known as the Zodiac would be an Escapee
When walking down the road in a disguise he would Be
The local police he called meanies were not able to See
In knowledge, gamesmanship and skills both men surely Agree
The Zodiac played Holmes perfectly to the highest Degree
One thing he didn’t count on was that sometime 40 years Later
Someone else would see straight through his Amphitheatre
To understand the game one thing you need to Do
As a Marine Fisheries librarian learn about the Wahoo
Bypass all the riddles, puzzles and certain Clues
In the mind of the man you will need to Peruse
“The Life Of 3.14159265359”
Part IX
In the Valley of Fear you are sure to Find
An interesting plot that he used in his Mind
What’s the game you might certainly Quiz
I said it was a real snorter and a real snorter it Is
V.V 341 I can make so sense of That
Porlock would have to put on his thinking Hat
In the title of this poem you will surely Find
An answer to the question you will see Aligned
One more coruscation I will certainly Ask
Answers to the latest puzzles how well did he Mask
Surely a common book he would have certainly Used
But which book did he use and how was it Fused
A great cranium he definitely Possesses
A fantastic plot he most certainly Coalesces
I might have caused some sort of Disruption
To the plot of his story with my sardonic Interruption
If the Zodiac was out there and would be brave enough to answer questions, these are the 50 that I would like answered.
Zodiac Questions:
1. When did you start working on the Zodiac theatre?
2. How long did you work on it before the first murders?
3. Why were your targets mainly couples?
4. Why were you more brutal towards women?
5. Why did you commit the crimes mainly on weekends?
6. Why were the crimes connected with water?
7. Why did you choose the name Zodiac?
8. Why did you sometimes use more postage stamps than required?
9. Why did you chose coloured paper to write on?
10. Why did you prefer blue/ purple ink to write with?
11. Why did you use 3 different types of weapons in the murders ( two different types of guns and a knife)?
12. Did you work alone or were there others involved?
13. Were you surprised the first ciphers were solved so quickly?
14. Were you the one that did the killings or was someone else involved?
15. Was it you or someone else that police spoke to when walking away from the taxi driver murder?
16. Was it you or someone else that called police from the phone booths?
17. Did you write the poem on the desk?
18. Did you write all the letters and puzzles sent to the newspapers and police or did someone else work on them to?
19. Did you base your actions on books that you have read?
20. Is there a true murder count that you can divulge?
21. Did you really have a bomb set up and ready to explode?
22. Did you enjoy the killings or outwitting police more?
23. Did you deliberately misspell words in the letters sent to police and the newspapers?
24. Did you live within the Bay Area?
25. Did you do your planning for the crimes in a basement?
26. Did you follow your victims long before the murders were committed?
27. Did you know who you were going to kill before the act?
28. Did you listen to music while doing your planning?
29. Were you in love?
30. Did you hate something or someone?
31. Were the murders linked to astrology or astronomy?
32. Are you still playing the game and being the artist?
33. Have you murdered again in the last 40 years?
34. Why did you stop writing and sending letters?
35. Do you still believe you will never be caught?
36. Have you ever felt like telling someone about what you’ve accomplished?
37. If there was more than one person involved, are all still alive?
38. Have you ever crossed paths with any of the people investigating the murders without them knowing who you are?
39. Have you ever felt pity for any of the victims or their families?
40. Were you ever inside any of the police stations in the Bay Area?
41. Were you at any time fearful of being caught?
42. Will you plan leaving a confession to the murders after your death?
43. With so many suspects being named in different forums has your identity ever appeared in any of them?
44. Without naming someone has anyone ever been close to solving the case?
45. Have you always felt comfortable about not being apprehended?
46. Was it you that called the station and spoke to Jim Dunbar or someone else pretending to be you?
47. Did you enjoy watching the movies about you?
48. Did you enjoy reading the books about you?
49. Have you sat back and laughed at all the different theories out there about the case?
50. Do you plan on killing again?
Some years ago, Gareth Penn put out a challenge on the Echporizer, for someone to write a limerick of the Gettysburg address. I don’t know if someone ever accomplished the task.
So, I have just completed that challenge, and here is the end product.
Enjoy.
The Gettysburg address limerick:
Four score and seven years ago,
Abraham Lincoln’s men would steal the show;
Dressed all in black,
With his sexy long hat,
People wouldn’t know about his fat toe.
Our fathers brought forth on this continent,
Many men who are certainly incontinent;
A nappy they would wear,
And their wife’s would swear,
By this right royal condiment.
A new nation, conceived in liberty,
Young men would be free only at the age of thirty;
From the clasp of their mothers,
And the spankings from their fathers,
To go and read the playboy magazine in victory.
And dedicated to the proposition,
The young men would seek a physician;
To cure the burns,
They would each take turns,
Applying some cream to their nether region.
That all men are created equal,
Is a saying that can be deceitful;
When you pull down your pants,
And your stare at the glans,
You might find some of them to be unequal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war,
Some of the men think they’re as big as a boar;
With women around,
It was likely to be found,
That they certainly lacked in the package store.
Testing whether that nation, or any nation,
Would believe in the works of castration;
Don’t want to be a man,
Because they certainly can,
Stop the great feeling of ejaculation.
Conceived and so dedicated, can long endure,
That the poor young men would walk out the door;
Holding their sacks,
Wow, they are intact,
The ejaculation would no longer be premature.
We are met on a great battle-field of that war,
When men decide to go and see the great whore;
She would likely need,
The biggest guy indeed,
To fill her up and help it stop her snore.
We have come to dedicate a portion of that field,
The great whore would have an internal shield;
Men would only know,
When they entered the monroe,
That the kaiber would likely be sealed.
As a final resting place for those who here,
Some men believed they could be buccaneer;
Would try to be smart,
But she would pull them apart,
When they tried to enter her through the rear.
Gave their lives that that nation might live,
One more try they would likely give;
Wait for her to sleep,
Would be quiet like sheep,
As they once again tried to relive.
It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this,
Be gentle like doves and give her a kiss;
It might work a treat,
She would show them her tit,
The men would likely be in a state of bliss.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate,
That the kiss would open the gate;
To clever for them,
Would certainly condemn,
That their sacks would begin to detonate.
We can not consecrate — we can not hallow — this ground,
On the floor of the room she most likely found;
Bits of their loins,
Mixed together with coins,
She would now offer them to her basset hound.
The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here,
Would all of a sudden begin to disappear;
To clever for them,
In her mind what a gem,
She would sit back and enjoy a cold beer.
Have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract,
Another young lass they would try to attract;
Now they will succeed,
Will be excited indeed,
The men would wait for that final special act.
The world will little note, nor long remember,
That the special act was played out in early Desember;
What an act it would be,
Other men tried to see,
When they finally inserted their member.
What we say here, but it can never forget what they did here,
This time no men would begin to disappear;
In bliss it began,
In and out, out of Anne
The men had smiles that went from ear to ear.
It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated,
Anne was enjoying it but was soon really jaded;
The men didn’t care,
Carried on like a wild hare,
It was like watching something that is now X-rated.
Here to the unfinished work which they who fought,
Anne began to feel really sick and distraught;
9 had just been,
Oh boy what a scene,
The men still carried on in the same line of thought.
Here have thus far so nobly advanced,
Some of the men were really enhanced;
Anne felt the pain,
But 8 more remain;
So they all really quickly began to advance.
It is rather for us to be here dedicated,
But now Anne was no longer feeling a little jaded;
She began to enjoy it,
It was a really tight fit,
The men were showing her she could be educated.
To the great task remaining before us,
The men were almost done but she still made no fuss;
2 still to go,
They would both steal the show,
They were men that worked on a yellow school buss.
That from these honored dead we take increased devotion,
The men began the act by using some clear sticky lotion;
Anne let out a sigh,
Oh man what a pi,
They were riding so hard in a simple harmonic motion.
To that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion,
Anne had known about the clear sticky lotion;
But now she didn’t care,
They we’re as big as a bear
It felt so good it was like being done in slow motion.
That we here highly resolve that these dead,
The men were now finished so they got out of bed;
Anne had a big smile,
She just laid there awhile,
Then she noticed the the guy had a massive big-head.
Shall not have died in vain,
Now she began feeling that big jolting pain;
She looked down and saw,
Her Monroe had a flaw,
The guy with the big-head also possessed a long cane.
That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom,
Anne lived in the country of the great United Kingdom;
The story is told,
This limerick is gold,
And it didn’t get created by a big nasty demon.
And that government of the people, by the people,
I don’t have a surname that ends in Spiegel;
I took on the challenge,
I think it’s mighty well balanced,
Now I can go and stand on top of the steeple.
For the people, shall not perish from the earth.
The man put out a challenge that I thought was worth;
With The Gettysburg address,
I was able to impress,
By the way, Anne has just finished giving birth.
DAG solved the 340-cipher and submitted the KEY but not the solution to the FBI for analysis. DAG requested the FBI provide the solution using the submitted KEY.
To Whom It May Concern:
In my failing dotage, I know that my remaining days are few. I find myself obligated to propagate further anticipation of what I have been constrained from publicly revealing. With assistance, I am visiting current Web pages on the topic of Zodiac. Allow me to reiterate my encounter with a man who may very well have been the Zodiac Killer.
My name is BOB TARBOX. I practiced law in San Francisco with an office on upper Montgomery St. My law partner was Joseph Git Jue. He would often accuse his coworkers of calling him “Git Jew” when we were merely pronouncing his real name. Anyway, one night in Early 1970’s, I was sitting at my secretary’s desk around 5:30 p.m. admiring her work shoes. A male approached the office door which was open – let me tell you, this guy was a chiseled-out boule of warm sourdough, just looking for a fill-up on some steamy man-chowder! I motioned him to come into the office with a fluttery wave and a swivel of my right foot, which at that moment was crossed over my left leg and half out of a patent leather mauve pump. He indicated he wanted to have a legal consultation so I locked the front door and sashayed into my office. In the office, the individual reached deep towards the impressive bulge in his pleated pant pocket and produced as identification a MMD (Merchant Marine Document). “Hello, sailor!” I rakishly exclaimed. Since I did Jones Act cases (personal injury for seamen), I assumed he had a Jones Act case. He indicated to me that it was not a Jones Act case but a criminal case, and wanted to pay for an hour of legal consultation plus some dirty talk. We agreed upon the amount of $50.00 for the hour “consultation.”
The individual proceeded to inform me that he was the Zodiac Killer. At first, I was skeptical – as skeptical as a peg-legged pirate trapped in a Barbary Coast sawmill. “Slow down!” I commanded. “You expect me to swallow that, seaman?” We proceeded to talk about his tattoos, especially an anchor that he could lower and raise. Having been pre-med at UC, I took some courses in psychology and I perceived this exploit to be of a cathartic nature wherein the individual is brazenly letting his Greek flag fly.
For many years, I have been under both legal and personal constraints with regard to this matter. The legal constraints still remain, but the personal constraints were severed by the death of my law partner – the old Git Jew – and recent death of his wife RITA MOCK GIT JUE. In fact, those same UC psych courses cause me to wonder about my life-long thrill for constraints.
To the family of Mr. Allen: I have for years monitored Mr. Allen’s trails and tribulations in the investigation of the Zodiac Killer until his death in the early 1990’s. If he had been placed in actual legal jeopardy for these crimes, I would proffer my limited testimony to his defense attorney and I would have testified at any trial as to the prior confession of another individual. After all, we lawyers can’t allow our own Melvin BELLIcose to corner the market on Zodiac case media whoring. Since I have seen photos of Mr. Allen in Speedos, I can express unequivocally that he was not the individual that confessed to me!
Dear Me,
Cocaine is a powerful drug.
– a friend
Dear get a life,
Really? You must be talking from experience! Now let’s see… The Dutch invented the Blunderbuss and the Dragon. Hmm… allow me to help you with a solution.
Shove both nozzles up your arsehole and ask “a friend” to pull the trigger. I’m sure you will enjoy the rather orgasmic exploding felling/sensation that results from such a solution!
Goodbye
get a life
C I A P D
Although I haven’t solved the 340 letter, I do believe that I have solved a small portion of it that is pretty straight forward. It talks about the location of a female body(that I haven’t figured out yet). It also gives a reference to New York and Los Angeles. I believe that one of the victims has a New York connection but I need to make sure. I just started working on this last night. It popped up while I was searching the Voynich Manuscript and It caught my eye.
And unlike Anonymous I will be happy to share once I have something concrete. After all, the person who solves this will definitely go into the history books. Why wouldn’t you want to tell the solution and be that person. Also, this is just a discussion and there is no need for hostility towards each other.
If you Graywolfe are referring to the CIAPD, let me spell it out easier for your understanding. Btw, I was answering “get a life’s” post.
CIA / Central Intelligence Agency
PD / Police Department
I believe the only way anyone will solve the 340 letter is if they possess psychic powers and travel back in space to the exact time the individual was constructing the letter. If not, then you have no chance.
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“Slow down!” I ejaculated. “You expect me to swallow that, seaman?”
LOLOL!!!!
Easy tiger, you’re exciting me. The more seaman you swallow the emptier the battleship will be.
Does anyone know if this zodiac individual is still alive?
This is literally the worst blog I’ve ever seen. Is it a joke? Are people really this stupid?
I’m sick to my stomach of reading how folks believe the Zodiac was illiterate. Having just recently started my own journey into the Zodiac affair, and for the life of me, I don’t seem to understand how most commentators can’t grasp what this man was trying to achieve. Better yet, in the mind of many of these commentators, authors like Ernest Hemingway, F. Scott Fitzgerald and Agatha Christie together with the assassinated 35th President of the United States, John F Kennedy, who were extremely bad spellers, will be viewed as imbeciles, who could not write ‘having’ without the insertion of the common letter ‘e’ (haveing) as in the case of Hemingway. All of these past authors were ‘common bad spellers’, however their legacy will forever remain untarnished and unblemished regardless of how they ‘speled’. The reflection on the mirror of ignorance will show who the imbeciles truly are.
The Zode was illiterate.
Check this out: http://thezodiackillercase.wix.com/zodiackiller
check this out: http://thezodiackillercase.wix.com/zodiackiller
People on forums ramble on and with nothing but pure speculation , they & Graysmith are liars but I now the truth cause I got it straight from the whorses mouth!
me and Zamantha have real lunches with Bob Tarbox in Las Vegas and over drinks we learn evidence directly from him about meeting merchant marine Zodiac. I know what I am talking about. I can prove every buffet special and boorbon i have shared with Tarbox if any one wants to challenge me. just beleive me now this is one theory thats not staying in Vegas!
Dont try call me a liar at Morfs zodiackillersite because him and Moderator Zam* – my significunt other- will support everything I say. I will not waste any more time becuse I know what Tarbox tells me. and he is a lawyer!
Paul_Averly
Seeeing you’ve mispeeled “whorses” and “significunt”, are you sure the last word shouldn’t be…LIAR?
Glad to see this forum has died. Just Like OPORD (aka, loser central).
Speaking of OPORD – Why did it suddenly shut down its publicly accessible Zodiac forum? This happened a few months ago. Could it have something to do with litigation from G. Penn? I ask you how an “Analytical Company” can be said to possess “Professional” competency when it just pulls the plug on years of research with nary a concluding word to its PUBLIC readers. I suppose OPORD would claim it is now classifying the Zodiac Killer as a “National Security” issue… **eye-roll**… Oh, please.
EXTRA! EXTRA! EXTRA!
Michael Butterfield still can’t READ and Comprehend!
In 1969, when attorney Melvin Belli received a letter, he would of course refer to it as – a “LETTER” (having been “MAILED”). When Belli received a missed telephone call in the form of a transcribed message from his housekeeper, he would refer to it as – a “NOTE” (having been “SENT”—over the phone line, then via employee, then written as note, finally delivered to a busy Melvin Belli). Get it?
It seems we have another “wannabe” on board. This one, however, and according to his forum, wants us to be “part of history and not a statistic”.
When will it all end.
http://thezodiackillercase.forumotion.com/
so this guy has came from small town to big city, what i am thinking is that the public recognition is surly high but not the tpe the Zodiac wants
EXTRA! EXTRA! EXTRA!
What is Ray Grant up to? New Zodiac blog enters the scene
https://kevinbarryzodiacblog.wordpress.com/
I’m Sandy Betts and I’m off my meds!
THANKS, OBAMA!
Hi,
I’m Sean Hannity
Breaking news just in… Mike Morford found with semen all over his face. Tom Voigt was seen in the area.
We will update you as reports keep coming come in…
We’re going live to our ace reporter Kimberley. Kimberly, what can you tell us.
Well, Sean, police are baffled by this latest incident here in Baltimore. Last night while on a routine patrol in this alley adjacent the Target store, the officer’s found an individual naked from the waist down, crawling away, and attempting to hide behind this dumpster. Police found him bleeding from his Fannie, covered in fecal matter, a few bucks in his pocket, and with semen all over his face.
Back to you Sean.
Kimberley, have the police released a description of the individual and his name?
Yes, Sean, they have. He is a middle-aged man, overweight, a redneck, and his name is Michael Morford. Investigations are ongoing. However, police know of his involvement in the 1969 cold case of the San Francisco Zodiac Killer. Police are also looking at some surveillance footage that shows the attack. The attack was brutal; the footage is disturbing and sexually explicit. Police know the attacker’s identity, he’s known for this type of assault and are pleading with the public for the whereabouts of Tom Voigt, for further questioning. However, Sean, the footage clearly shows another man and a woman in the area. Police believe they took part in the attack. Police have sent the semen sent to the laboratory for analysis.
Back to you Sean.
Thank you, Kimberley. Keep us informed of any developments over the next few days.
There you have it, folks. Fox News will update you as reports keep coming in. We live in a sick world.
My buttocks are ON FIRE !!!!
Good God! It looks as if Morford’s crew is now desperate enough to bolster a psychic in order to transform Sullivan into Zodiac:
http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=106&t=1441&p=45723#p45723
Yo! That’s just wicky wicky wack! I really must sever my ties with those boobs.
Morford, Tom Voigt and his crew are nothing more than virulent testicular lice that have attached themselves to the Zodiac case. Psychic? What a pack of buffleheads.However, there’s a solution known to fix their problems and that being an ice pick lobotomy.
A heartfelt thank you goes out to the person(s) that banned me from the ZKS forum. The level of stupidity keeps getting worse and worse.
It emerges that not even psychics are capable of solving their problems.
Solution?????
Call the Plumber!
It’s true that some memorable poos are floating around in appropriate places!
It seems the ZKS motley crew are at it again.
Kim, take my advice and leave now before they chew you up, and bury the bones never to be found again.
What a pack of knobs and knockers they are.
WOWSA! The illustrious Zodiac Killer Site is teeming with Stanford psychiatric PhDs and profilers, I tell ya! In one 24 hr. period, witness the compelling sources used to diagnose a surviving family’s long-deceased relative, and arraign the innocent man for serial murder…
morf13:
“A lot of people think that Ross couldn’t be z because due to his paranoid schizophrenia, he couldn’t be alert enough to make codes or ciphers like z did. Then I watched a movie last night that I hadn’t watched in a long time and had a ‘ahh hah’ moment. A Beautiful Mind starring Russell Crowe. Who here has seen it? …”
Paul_Averly:
“I was also listening to the new gen-y podcast on BTK. …”
Paul_Averly:
“A gen-y podcast talked about how after a murder occurred in a house …”
Paul_Averly:
“Many professional profilers believed Z had schizophrenia long before we knew about Ross. We know a few things about Ross. He worked in a library and had to sit and work for periods of time. He was also very intelligent. Watch the film ‘The Imitation Game.’ …”
FACT: A “library” is one place the esteemed Dr. “Paul_Averly” has never sat in for any period of time. Morford, himself, has two posts elsewhere on his site: one in which he confesses that he doesn’t like reading books, and another admitting he’s not been to a library in a long while (even includes another wink smiley, just to prove his point).
Who can possibly take these imbeciles seriously, besides “Norse” and David Oranchak? And please assure me that the Vallejo PD (or any other) is not still wasting precious cold case minutes on these blunt tools!
Oh yes, they are. One of the Vallejo PD detectives is a member of the ZKS forum. The word out on the street is that Morford exchanges emails with this detective regularly, and God only knows the baloney he tells him. Damn shame that the authorities keep listening to the imbeciles and their paranoid schizo buddies.
On the topic of Dennis Rader, it seems that the police are well known for adhering to double standards. When in one of his letters Rader named himself “Bill Thomas Killman,” (BTK), the authorities were quick off the mark and never once hesitated or distrusted the fact that ‘they’ were right about Rader’s BTK coded message. And why? Because they (the police), found the system, and no one else. Codes and Messages are only correct if the police or detectives find them. When members of the public provide the authorities with undeniable proof that links certain aspects of a cold case to a perpetrator, they don’t believe them. And they don’t trust the general population because they never found these elements themselves. Officers and detectives enjoy patting each other on the back and glorifying themselves to their colleagues. They love the attention-grabbing sensation it provides when “they” find the codes/clues/messages/evidence, and link these to a killer. After all, they’ve been given the best instruction the Academy provides and are suit and tie professionals. And, all the while, thousands upon thousands of cold cases remain unsolved because the police and detectives refuse to acknowledge that they’re not the only perspicacious people in the world. Therefore, let’s box the paperwork and call it a cold-case. “We” never found substantial evidence linking the case to an individual.
So, Morford and his honkies don’t like reading books, and they never see paint peeling off a library wall??? “…A large herd of pigs was feeding on the nearby hillside. And the pigs followed each other down a steep hill to the lake and were drowned. Those tending the pigs ran off and reported this in the town and countryside, and the people went out to see what happened. And all the people were amazed.”
If you get lost, travel to 1403 Gough Street, San Francisco. There, look for a cid under the table. Take the a cid and travel to the tri-corner of Broadway, Columbus and Grant streets, San Francisco. Ask for the lady with the 8 children.
You stupid, stupid people!
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“The RCC yearbook was published in 66 for the 65-66 year. It was not published in 67 for the 66-67 year when Cheri would have been there”
My GOD, MORFORD!! Do you realize how many flippin’ times you’ve repeated yourself? – When you’re not scurrying around trying to drum up site hits with NON-Zodiac related NONSENSE? For all intents and purposes your site is DEAD! Have your Manson buddy stick a fork in ya! You’re done. Tend to your customers and sell some cars for a change, Satch.
Easy, Little Bobby. You are not as anonymous as you may think. Your IP address litters the internet. How’s PA these days?
FOUND IT!! No, not the evidence that would place Sullivan driving a car in ANY Bay Area Zodiac Killer venues; but there’s does seem to be some free-for-all Muslim-bashing going on here:
zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/topic/7602/Re-Possible-serial-killer-loose-in-Manchester-England?page=-1#.VxRWNzHIgYo
Pssst! I gots a authenticated pic of Sasquatch smoking a doobie in a Studebaker car with Ross Sullivan — an’ a Ross is a drivin’!
Le’mme tell you what I’m’agonna’do… I sells it to you on tha cheap for $5,000 or best offer.
I can really sees you takin’ this classic pic off tha’ lot and holdin’ it in your hands…you know… le’mme go talk to my manager to sees if tha’s our last offer, or what…
Sasquatch – ape or hominid-like creature that is said to inhabit forests, mainly in the Pacific Northwest. A large, hairy, gay, stupid, and bipedal humanoid that refused to follow evolution thus is embarrassed and remains hidden in the forrest of the ZKS buffoonery.
The only correct thing Arthur Lee Allen ever said – “There’s two types of liars in the world, fishermen, and policeman.”
RPA seems to have a little too much time on his hands. Maybe it’s the booze.
It seems that Sasquatch (Morford) continually creates fictitious users in a brazen attempt to aggrandize his forum. He lives in a sad, warped, and lonely place.
morfdomains.blogspot.com/2015/03/cannabis-marijuana-hemp-related-domains.html
Looks like Sasquatch shit, smells like Sasquatch shit, feels like Sasquatch shit, tastes like Sasquatch shit. Must be Sasquatch shit. Good thing we didn’t step in it!
— Just a sampling of Sandy Betts worsening pathological need to insinuate herself (via relentless hearsay) into the Zodiac case in almost every post she makes:
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“I am not saying this just because the description of the car and the shooter is a perfect match to my suspect, or am I ?”
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“Some man who was talking to my daughter about Zodiac in the late 80’s, told her that a guy he knew by the name of Randy Young was asked by Mike and Darlene to meet them at the park. Because they needed some back up for a confrontation they were going to have with the man who was following Darlene.”
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“A school friend of mine had his office in the same building as Belli. He said he could hear Belli using a lot of 4 letter words towards his secretary. He was not a nice person. . . .
I met Belli when he was having a meeting at a place I worked at called Lucky Lane’s in San Pablo, just south of Vallejo. I was the waitress who worked the banquet room that evening. He was there to talk about the Jack Ruby case and how the flash bulbs from the reporters cameras caused Ruby to shoot. I had to turn my head away so he wouldn’t see me laugh.
I agree with everyone about Belli’s ego and that he would never keep his mouth shut if Zodiac had contacted him. When Zodiac said he wanted his help I am very sure it was not true , that he had no plan to turn himself in ever. That was just another part of Z’s sick game is what I think.”
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— You know what I think? I think it’s about time that serious webmasters and researchers – official and amateur, wishing to maintain a shred of credibility for themselves and this serial murder case – cease and desist ENABLING Sandy Betts’ ego and sickness.
Be careful, Portuguese Sandy might get the White Lady to Boo you!!!
As if ZodiacKillerSite could possibly become any more of a satirical comedy: its member focus now is on parsing Michael Butterfield’s every fringe radio interview to ascertain whether he may be intimating, however obliquely, that he considers Ross Sullivan to be a viable suspect. LOL!
Gee! You mean that Butterfield – the Paragon of All Things Factual on the Zodiac Killer case – only HINTS and does not want to be quoted mentioning a suspect’s name (ZKS HAS seen to it that he is a **suspect** and not a POI) that has been publicly propagated for YEARS now? You think it may be that Butterfield is just playing the averages—hedging his bets—and that while he wishes to appear current, relevant, and hip to his fringe cuckoo house listeners, he has common sense enough to not explicitly link himself to a dead man, whom, to paraphrase a favorite Butterfield saying, doesn’t have a “shred of evidence” going for him as a killer, let alone The Zodiac Killer?
Perhaps Butterfield should henceforth in his interviews refer to Ross as “The suspect formerly known as…,” describing an obscure symbol, one that looks nothing like the Zodiac Killer’s.
So today we have ZKS quoting and boosting Butterfield, the theory-less egomaniac, the fringe radio fraud as their credible source – and HE WON’T EVEN MENTION ROSS’s NAME!
Folks, we’ve heard and seen it all now! Hilarious! A forum meltdown of epic proportions as ZodiacKillerSite’s desperation reaches the depths of the Sasquatch shit they’ve been spreading around the Web for years.
Examples of Barnum statements:
“You are sometimes insecure, especially with people you don’t really know well.”
“You have a lot of old unsorted photographs at home.”
“Marshall seems to have had something to hide, Zodiac, or not.”
“When you were young, you had some sort of an accident involving water.”
“You’re experiencing some tension with a friend or a relative at the moment.”
Example:
“Obtain information quickly after an event, when it’s fresh in people’s minds.”
Is there a wildfire raging on the West Coast? I’m not certain Schecter, is there?
Combine persistence with patience my dear fellow, fires don’t spontaneously combust. By all mean, use an accelerant. For example:
The Man The Pigs Couldn’t Pen – https://kevinbarryzodiacblog.wordpress.com/
by doranchak » Sun Jun 05, 2016 8:15 pm:
“I have no idea what any of it means, of course.”
WOW!!!
https://kevinbarryzodiacblog.wordpress.com/2016/06/07/looking-for-people-who-can-do-c/
“[S]ome excellent progress has been made in an often sterile investigation” — based upon what? An eight-year-old’s “eyewitness” account of some bloke 47 years ago? That’s what you’ve got, Richard? . . . in lieu of the “retirement” posting you made some months back, the one I saved? Spare us this sensationalism and hyperbole. You people are opportunistic nutters wasting Web search space.
Let’s check in on the Gaikowski investigation… Here’s the latest INTEL from top investigators on the case:
“I just sent an email to yoshemp@gmail.com and received a delivery-failure notice.”
Don’t worry, mate, these days Tom Voigt’s brain is getting nothing but delivery-failure notices. Nyuk, Nyuk, Nyuk
In fact, official L.E. can see that Voigt doesn’t know his hole from an ass in the wall.
From his Supermax prison cell, Ray Grant offers a pre-recorded presentation about the Zodiac killer case:
Does anyone know if this is Allenwood, Lewisburg, or Waynesburg, PA; and exactly what charges landed Ray in the custody of this control-unit penitentiary?
I find it despicable that criminals even maximom security crooks are allowed facebook , the tweeter and u2 in our jails!! i do not want my tax dollars paying for this!!!! at least I expected more from my governor Tom Wolf.
yo for real! i spent almost fideen years in lockup and I aint never get no innernet twitter movie studio. if it aint a white mans world, dawg!
Mike Morford closing the dealership for the evening and just minutes before receiving word that Ross Sullivan IS A FAILED SUSPECT . . .
M. Cole: “I need to provide an update regarding my progress on the book The Zodiac Revisited. For quite a while now, I’ve been working toward the goal of publishing in 2016. Unfortunately, I have to report that it’s not going to happen.”
. . .
“Given some of the variables I’m currently working with, I’m going to defer updating the target release date immediately. I’ll provide more information as it becomes available.”
**YAWN**
hey whatever happened to Michael Butterfield and his book and movie?
Gee… I wonder what the true reason is for Tom Voigt not wishing joining his community on “Cheri Jo Bates 50th anniversary”…
(by sandy betts » Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:55 am)
“I have looked over her case a re-read the police reports so I will have all of my ducks in a row.”
(by sandy betts » Mon Oct 24, 2016 10:48 am)
“I have hope that Cheri Jo’s brother Michael will show up. I have a Catholic prayer book that I would like to show him . I was left in my car along with many other things, in Napa on the 28th or 29th of Sept 1969, along with the killing costume , of which I thought was just an early Halloween costume. The only possible Zodiac Catholic victim that I know of was Cheri Jo Bates, if it did belong to her and Michael can ID it as belonging to his sister, that could be the smoking gun we need to catch her killer.”
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(by sandy betts » Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:20 am)
“That is correct BA60’s, the costume that was put in my car was in two parts the top was a black paper bag …”
…
“Napa PD told me that it is very hard to believe that the hood was made of paper !
Yet no one could have read what the costume looked like at the time it was put in my car, so it had to be the true costume.”
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(by capricorn » Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:58 pm)
“Do you still have the costume? IIRC, you threw the hood away but saved the bib/vest with the logo? Perhaps you could take this to Riverside with you to show to any appropriate persons.
Do you know when the costume was first publicized anywhere? It sounds almost exactly like what my poi had. The hood was made out of a paper sack which he told me he colored with black ink or shoe polish. The bib/vest was made out of black felt IIRC. He told me he’d gone to a fabric store and purchased the material and some black Ritz dye which he used for some of it. IIRC, it was the shirt underneath but I can’t be certain after all this time. He told me he’d used an old t-shirt or sweat shirt and cut the sleeves off and used it as a pattern. But now that I just typed that, am thinking I could be mistaken about the hood and it was made of felt and he’d used a paper sack as the pattern.
There was the terrible smell from the ink or shoe polish. He had the whole thing rolled up and put in a shoeshine kit which he kept in his garage. Like you, I thought it was a Halloween costume. The logo in the center of the chest was white and he told me he’d used his dice cup or a drinking glass and traced around it and painted the circle and cross with white out IIRC!”
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But nobody bother to interrupt crazy Betts and Capricorn now; they provide the only content Morford and Voigt have going these days!
Tom was lookin’ for Zode in all the wrong places [get out of the bushes, Tom!]
Lookin’ for Zode in too many faces [count all of his POIs!]
Searchin’ their eyes, lookin’ for traces
Dreamin’ of the mother lode [sound of cash register cha–ching]
Hoping to find a friend and a lover [what *is*/*was* the deal between Voigt and Betts?]
He’ll bless the day he discovers,
Another old bugger – lookin’ for Zode.
Well GOLL-LEE, here comes Tom now in his cowboy lamé suit to sing us a li’l song…
Touche.
“Jarl Van Eycke had finally beaten the Zodiac killer. …”
“Some tinker with model airplanes or tweak fantasy sports lineups; Van Eycke was a different sort. He’d wake up and, before leaving for work at a nearby distribution center in Flanders, Belgium, he’d spend the morning cracking codes written by a serial killer more than four decades ago and 5,500 miles away. And in 2015, after years of work, he’d won.”
HUCKSTER MIKE
[“The numptiest desperado who ever trod the soil of Arizona”]
I read the crime blotter on my paper run
Delivering Gotham’s news to Jamie Farr’s mum
I never graduated university
Took every comic book workshop I could
And I dreamed of my “forthcoming” book
While I read my Norman Mailer and studied Bugliosi
Hit Google Groups and paid my site dues
And got sycophantic forum views
I knew my trolls were gonna love me, without a doubt
I was sure that Graysmith would answer me on the phone
John Douglas would quote me in his next tome
But the “facts” have come and gone
And I’m sorry to say that’s not the way that it’s all worked out
I’m an extra on the Tombstone stage
Huckster Mike is the name
And I’m doin’ 34 shows every day
And every time it’s the same
“Doc Holliday” shoots; my ass hits the ground
Dust myself off for another go round
Now I’m lurkin’ on the Web in a bitter rage
‘Cause I’m workin’ on the Tombstone stage
Oh, the critics, why can’t they see
I am the next Truman Capote
Thought I’d be the toast of Coast to Coast or maybe Sky Valley Chronicle
Aw, but don’t bother tryin’ to IMDb me
The only place you might possibly see me
Is ridin’ my little mule around the OK Corral
Not exactly my plan at all
But I’m an extra on the Tombstone stage
Huckster Mike is the name
And I’m doin’ 34 shows every day
And every time it’s the same
I would’ve killed if I published “Death Machine”
But what’s the difference, now that I’m a has-been
‘Cause I’m slingin’ cap guns and pratfallin’ for low-wage
And I’m workin’ on the Tombstone stage
I should be there in Hollywood
Knockin’ ‘em dead with “The House That Wept Blood”
But instead I’m here fallin’ on my ass
Again and again and again and again and again and again and again
“Yellowbelly peddling a bad theory, I’m your huckleberry!”
“You crazy crackpot lunatic prevaricating cuss…”
“And there it is, The Radian Theory too tough to die!”
“What have I done with my life?!”
I shoulda listened when Sheriff Wark said
“Why don’t you blog about haircuts instead?”
Now my hopes have all vanished; my dreams have flown the Birdcage
And I’ll probably work forever as an extra on the Tombstone stage
Huckster Mike is the name
And I’m doin’ 34 shows every day
And every time it’s the same
Swaggering down Allen Street, in chaps and black sneakers
My hat’s so small ‘cause my bandwidth is weaker
Always said I’d be famous… Siri can’t find my page
‘Cause I’m workin’ on the Tombstone stage
I’m a bad actor on the Tombstone stage
[Last line of chorus repeated by voice of Apple’s iPhone Siri]
[As song fades, Siri is heard asking: “I’m sorry, were you looking for ‘failed reenactment cowpokes’ in Arizona?”]
Gareth Penn, why do I find your name cleverly coded throughout the Zodiac correspondence? People here in the States are extremelly stupid, and they don’t understand the coded messages you left behind. Prime example: the sixteen lines of the bus bomb letter that you demanded the newspaper to print. In those sixteen lines lies a treasure trove of references to your name. Do you care to prove me wrong??????
Talk about calling it the way it is. Well done sir. Your incisiveness, courage and determination, is admired.
https://kevinbarryzodiacblog.wordpress.com/2017/02/03/the-exorcist-letter-and-gareth-penn/
“Paul_Averly” and his ZKS degenerates won’t stop trying to force their pet suspect, “isolated,” “withdrawn,” schizophrenic fat boy Ross Sullivan into the role of the Zodiac Killer. It’s like Cinderella’s evil stepsisters cutting off one of their big toes here, clipping a heel there, in an hysterical attempt to fit the Wing Walker!
Now “Paul_Averly” is wildly speculating that the Sullivan family had a ’66-’67 Chevy Impala with “worn out tires” – the implication being that Ross drove it to Lake Berryessa on September 27, 1969 and parked behind Hartnell’s Karmann Ghia… you see where this is going … EXCEPT for the inconvenient truth that…
1966/67 Chevrolet Impala FRONT tread ===> 62.5 inches;
and REAR tread ===> 62.4 inches
RESULT: Michael Morford, “Paul_Averly,” and their ZKS crüe of nincompoops connive to misinform the public that Detective Sgt. Snook and Sgt. Butler’s track/tread measurement could be off by 5.5 inches (almost half a foot!). That’s one warped & wacky Impala axle!
Oh, the moronic talk at zodiackillersite does go round and round, round and round…
It’s official… RICHARD GRINELL (UKSpycatcher) is a sick f*ck who gets off on repetitively posting images of victims in pools of blood or coroner photos of bodies riddled with bullet holes. Hey Richard, how many times have you broadcast that colourized Paul Stine photo where he’s slumped out of his cab? If you do it a couple more times are you going to solve the case or at least make those who loved him ever so pleased?
Now Grinell invites people to play “Find the Missing Bullet.”
by UKSpycatcher » Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:21 am
Betty Lou Jensen was shot five times in the back. There were 3 exit wounds and 2 bullets were recovered from her body.
Of the three exit wounds
First ‘Pellet recovered near victim Betty Lou Jensen in blood spattered path on her attempted escape route. Pellet entered her body in the back and emerged from the center of her stomach and dropped to the ground without penetrating the front of her dress.’
Second ‘Pellet found in pants of victim Betty Lou Jensen, at mortuary, during examination of the deceased. The pellet had entered the lower back, coursed through her body, emerging under the waist band elastic of her panties, where it was found.’
These phrases just tickle Grinell’s fancy: “exit wounds,” “her body,” “blood spattered path,” “penetrating the front of her dress,” “pellet found in pants,” “entered the lower back,” “coursed through her body,” “emerging under the waist,” “elastic of her panties”
Do this in private or get a life you opportunistic–for site clicks–sick crime scene groupie.
There’s a new crackpot involved in the Zodiac case. Over at Zodiackillersite.com, poster ZodiacClues123, can’t seem to understand that the Phillips 66 map would not fit in the envelope without the Zodiac killer folding it first. Man, where do these idiots originate from? And Farmer’s forum was recognised as a hive of kook’s? I keep on reiterating the fact that large volumes of laced Mexican Marijuana is detrimental to the brain.
Yeah, I didn’t even bother following his links; he sounded too much like the ‘Zeppelin’ space cadet on YouTube who is forever implicating Don Harden. ZKS now has a thread debating the appropriateness of children’s Zodiac Killer inspired “poetry” (!) – must be a slow year. Observe how Morford and his mods—desperate as they are for forum activity—allow the travesty to continue. Furthermore, the admin has proudly announced that he’s booked a table at CrimeCon 2017. What – so he can defame the Sullivan family in person while signing brochures? A previous poster here already mentioned “opportunists.”
Hahahahaha… “must be a slow year.” That made my day. Had a great chuckle by myself. Keep it up. Hahahaha. Currently, that forum is recognized as the laughing stock of the Zodiac community. What a pack of oversized horns they are.
While I remember, notice how the evil witch Tahoe27, is going around trying to stop ZodiacClues123 lunacy?
Speaking of slow years and good chuckles, we have Voigt’s Zodiackiller site/forum stats:
3190 Avg visits per day
3572 Avg views per day
2 Posts per day <–
0 Posts in last 24 hours <–
I know there's an SAT question in there somewhere. The 340 deciphering math whizzes can get back to us with the answer.
For extra credit look to Butterfield's "facts" site, which has been saying for the last two years, "NOTE: We’re currently doing an overhaul of the site …"
In all that time he's also had about two new posters, but his site always shows at least "5 guests (based on users active over the past 5 minutes)." Here's a FACT: Michael Butterfield pads his site numbers.
If those are bots – and there is a God – I pray that at least one of them will be The Terminator.
S. Conner, can you recommend a better board?
Hello Viggo,
You just use the old Betts Test.
Any board that allows me to natter my mental-ass off for decades is the board to be on, hon!
Now where was I? Oh, yes… did I tell you about the time I served a Bloody Mary to The Zodiac? I kept the glass wrapped in a cocktail napkin for the police to get fingerprints, but they never got back to me!!!??? Perhaps you heard about the time right after the Lake Berryessa crime when Zodiac put his skid-marked cross-circled onesie into the back seat of my car? . . . Or . . .
I just can’t figure why the detectives won’t return my calls after all these years . . . but it sure is swell having supportive web mods & admins together with all of the likes & encouragement. . . . Now where was I?
Oh, yeah, did I tell you about the time I “dated” two Vallejo cops and an Oakland Raider in one night? Now you know Sandy don’t kiss and tell child, but let’s just say on that night a gal went 5150 and something went ker-Plunkett! Oooooh! Whoooopeeee! Well, let me tell you, we gonna catch The Zodiac. . . I just gotta keep publicly posting my personal details and you all can enable this crisis by using me as the bait. Mealworms ain’t got nothin’ on Sandy when it comes to taunting and luring a psychopath serial killer. Mmmmm-uhmmmm.
I’m Sandy Betts and I’m off my meds. Thanks Obama!
PS. Don’t you worry none, honey Viggo – I gots me a handgun and I carries it all the time . . . Whoooopeeee! Come and gets me you Zodiac you!!!!!!
“All his murders fell on that first day of the 13 Moon calendar, as did so many over just a couple of years, but whether it happened by fluke or was designed, I certainly cannot say, and certainly don’t get heavily protective of my theories.”
Protective, my arse.
Grinell, when you have any theories worthy of being “protective of” – we’ll let you know. Now go check your daily page rankings and browser stats before posting yet another gormless rehash of stale bollix, or coloring one more glittery kiss-arse webpage banner advert for every time a ZKS mate lets out the slightest of after-tea farts.
Fuck me, Yanks are sick fucks. They continually make a mockery out of actual events for the sake of money. You low life scumbags are worse than Isis. These were real people that died back in the 60s, and not props used at Hollywood. You make me sick, you good for nothing fuckers. Perhaps North Korea should really nuke the fuck out of you bastards.
Hey I didn’t even eat the mousse. . .
Now, where was I. . . Oh yes. . .
I have a question for the British public. When you dream, do you dream in color, or black and white? Cause I dream in black and white. And last evening, I had a dream about salmon mousse. I didn’t know what flavor it was because it was gray. Then I tasted it, and then I realized it was salmon.
Definitely salmon.
Let’s see now, hmm…
According to law enforcement and Zodiac experts;
Zodiac = moron, illiterate, uneducated, psychopathic, etc.
All because of intentional misspelling. Then, he offered civilization a unit of measurement recognized as a radian.
What adjectives and nouns should I attach to the late Ken Narlow, and the rest of the law enforcement battalion, for their lack of knowledge and refusal to open a little Oxford?
Food for thought, hey?
Michael Morford (à la Butterfield) is now referring to himself as a “recognized Zodiac expert” (must be the fringe radio broadcasting to his tinfoil cap!) and intends to become King of All Crime Media … But get this… he’s still pushing Ross S. as his main suspect! WAHHHHHH HAHAHAHAH HAAAAAAAAAH!!!!
I suppose when you’ve already solved the Zodiac case it’s time to move on to EAR/ONS and every other unsolved crime.
Translation: One Phat Phailure!
Girl, you leave Michael Morford alone! That hunky bear is my TrueCrimeGuy any day or night!
When will Tom Voigt escape his stupor long enough to realize that he won’t discover The Zodiac’s identity by chasing the bottom of a pint & shot glass?
Following is a sampling of evidence (from a single post, mind you!), but there is a plethora of Tom & alcohol references littered around the Web, including his recent personal Facebook page image (lol, Cheers, Tom! It’s almost time to get with your buddies and have another booze-filled picnic just yards away from a Zodiac victim’s murder scene):
“Most of my contact with Mike was via e-mail, but one night in 2004 he met with a group of us amateur detectives at The Blarney Stone, a bar around the corner from where I was living at the time in San Francisco. Mike was a big, strong guy, dressed in black leather, his long hair pulled back. After retiring from the force Mike decided he wanted to learn to play the bass guitar. He sure looked the part. It was a fun night and Mike generously bought several rounds of beer. He didn’t mind answering our questions about the Zodiac case, or listening to our ideas. Mike appreciated what we could contribute. …
…
Still, he had guests and was determined to be a great host, insisting on retrieving wine from the cellar even though he couldn’t even stand without assistance; I had to pull him up from the sofa. Some nights, he told me, he was too weak to move, so he would sleep on the floor of the living room. We drank wine and he took me into his office, limping all the way …
…
On my research trips to the Bay Area I always looked forward to visiting with Nancy at her home in Benecia [sic], walking Chico and having drinks with Nancy at her favorite hangout, the Vets Hall. Unfortunately, Nancy’s considerable health problems continued to mount …
…
In those good old days I was fortunate to drink beer with Mike, wine with Ken and booze with Nancy. Slow downloads weren’t so bad afterall [sic].”
— The above quotes are taken from Tom Voigt’s March 20, 2013, ZK.com 15th Anniversary “special update to mark the occasion.” – “Zodiackiller.com: 1998 — 2013: 15 years later, reflection on how we got here.”
SLOW DOWNLOAD / SPECIAL UPDATE!!!!—Tom Voigt “got here” being a hypocritical alky “researcher” and a convicted stalker in the state of Oregon.
I want to share a secret with you.
I was born 1/1/1941.
Farther, I INSISTED that the text of the 408 cipher be printed on August 1, 1969.
And why did I do that?
Nobody has ever asked me why.
Be that as it may, I will tell you.
Between my birthdate and the August date, 10,439 days had elapsed.
I wrote in code remember?
Thus;
1 = A
4= D
3 = C
9 = I
10+4+3+9 = 26
26 = Z
I will leave it up to you to find the remaining letter.
Clue: It’s right there, in front of your eyes.
I have another secret to share with you.
Do you remember the desktop poem I wrote in May 1966?
It’s a key.
“Someone ll find her.
just wait till
next time”
My mother’s name is within those words.
And, yes I did make that call to you also.
I have another secret to share with you.
The Count Marco letter has 4 distinct dashes, and 3 subtle dots.
My name has the same pattern of dashes and dots.
Happy Reading
PS yes, I will make another call to you also.
I have another secret to share with you.
Why did I insist that I murdered Stine at the corner of Maple and Washington, after knowing we had stopped at Cherry?
Nobody has ever asked me why.
Be that as it may, I will tell you.
My name is hidden in both streets.
Happy Readings
I have another secret to share with you.
The letter I mailed in reply to Jack Stiltz’s request to provide him with more material was received by the San Fran Examiner 5 August 1969, and not 4 August like popular belief.
And the reason why?
I remember writing, “are the police having a good time with the code? If not, tell them to cheer up; when they do crack it, they will have me.”
It’s up to you know to find the answer.
Happy Readings
Hey, True Zodiac – You had me at the word “speaking”!
Do you have a book I can write a foreword in (even an imaginary one?), or just a piece of crumpled brown lunch bag I can endorse between the peanut butter stains for a few bucks?
I’m running a tad short on booze money this month.
How d’you like to see your name in lights on my site? We don’t even need to have a thread to discuss it. My sucker pissant members keep my forum up and running, allowing me the opportunity to tabloid shill for fast cash. I’m the Joel Osteen of the Zodiac case… just minus all the millions… and the business acumen… and the charisma… and the good looks…
Hey, Tommy Voigt
I’ve kept your maniacal 30+ emails. We exchanged communications years back, remember?
In light of the fact that you continually make a mockery of my case, I have a special treat for you.
Lake Berryessa – pity the TREE I hid behind before approaching my victims is no longer there. If it were, I would ask you and your posse to go on over, and peek-a-boo at the symbol I left behind. But, that’s water over the dam now.
Happy Readings
It’s time for another secret.
Speaking of “peakings,” from Mt Diablo, on a clear day;
Latitude: 34.674238 North
Longitude: -98.4903349 West
Happy Readings
I have another secret to share with you.
I told Brian and Cecilia that I had been born in Colorado, and had escaped from Deer Lodge, Montana.
By peeling away the layers of the four word game, you will find my name.
Happy Readings
I have another secret to share with you.
13-Character-Cipher:
People have remained perplexed by my choice of three-circled-eights. What could they mean, they’ve wondered?
Well, think:
1. “BCT”
2. “AIT”
3. “FD-NJ
4. “FS-OK
5. “Magic Room”
6. and most importantly, “cicles,” hence the “circled-eights.”
Happy Readings
I have another secret to share with you.
The best minds at Skaggs Island have tried solving “ebeorietemethhpiti” but they’re no closer now than when they started.
Since I am speaking, I will give the blue meannies a clue.
EBEORIETE
METHHPITI
You should work it out from here.
Happy Readings
I have another secret to share with you.
The best minds at Skaggs Island have tried solving “ebeorietemethhpiti” but they’re no closer now than when they started.
Robert Graysmith anagrammatised my 18-letter-code into a 20-letter-word about a “hippie.”
Since I am speaking, I will give the blue meannies a clue.
EBEORIETE
METHHPITI
You should work it out from here.
Happy Readings
Here’s a special treat.
Nellie
Nellie had a new dress,
It was mighty thin
She asked me how I liked it,
I answered with a grin
Why don’t you wait ’till the sun shines Nellie
And the clouds go drifting by –
We’ll have a good time, Nellie,
You and I together
Down lovers lane we’ll wander,
Sweethearts you and I
Why don’t you wait ’till the sun shines Nellie
Bye and bye
Happy Readings
What’s with all the cryptic references to Gareth Penn?
Cryptic???
I’ll tell you what’s cryptic, anonymous.
Over the last half century law enforcement agencies never once leafed through an issue of Stars and Stripes.
If they had, something interesting would appear.
However, much like they did with the term radian, categorically refusing to leaf through a dictionary looking for its meaning, they’ve again missed a major part of the game.
Then again, they’ve also overlooked my reference to the gold stitching on the hood worn at Lake Berryessa.
Happy Readings
It’s KEVIN BARRY, everyone. About a month ago, for some reason he was compelled to switch his WordPress blog to “private” .
So, Kevin? Why don’t you tell us why you had to take your public blog down?
Happy ReadingsThe Zodiac Troll Net
When it comes to “assumptions” you’re another veritable Einstein.
I wouldn’t know a KEVIN BARRY if a stepped on one.
However, if I was indeed the man you say I am, how would I know that one of This Is The True Zodiac Speaking favorite pastimes during adolescence was photography?
Cryptic?
I don’t think so.
Photography, a camera, and a viewfinder. I wonder what they all have in common?
Happy Readings
Poison Penn
It seems you trained in field Artillery. What Battery?
In ’66, I remember being instructed to cross out mistakes using single strokes over words with my grease pencil. A common practice in Artillery.
Do you remember the cheap military issued Timex watches? The one’s that were plastic, olive drab in color with a nylon web band and a dial that glowed in the dark? You know, the one’s used during Bivouac, right?
1/6400
Happy Readings
I have another secret to share with you.
This one, however, is a special dedication to Poison Penn, my Artillery FDC.
Do you remember “Key Gate,” directly off I-44,and exit 41?
Do you recall “Delta 4 rounds, target number Alpha Bravo(AB) 1208 OVER?”
Now, think back to the desktop poem and the letter I mailed to the San Fran Chronicle, July 31, 1969.
3 Brand name of ammo was Western OVER
Happy Readings
Oompa, Loompa, doom-pa-dee-do. I have a perfect FACT for you:
Penn ≈12 OPORD Analytical = 0
My little o-range honkey.
Remember Alpha Battery at 4401 Blair st? I had a Blast there.
Yes, I did make that call to you also 5/20
Oompa, Loompa, doom-pa-dee-do. So, you don’t deny being one of that ignoramus crew?
Oompa, Loompa, doom-pa-dee-do. Penn shut your site down and beat like rented mules the lot of you!
Oompa, Loompa, doom-pa-dee-do. Visitors click my name but can’t find any of you know who!
Oompa, Loompa, doom-pa-dee-do. Charlatans all – Your playtime is through!
Oompa, Loompa, doom-pa-dee-do. Good riddance, too!
I’ve gone from dealing with a veritable Einstein to a little o-range oracle of Delphi.
However, in this instance, it appears that the little o-range oracle has been rustling marijuana leaves instead of oak.
No wonder I’ve remained at large for so many years.
It’s the type of demented intellect that’s plagued this game for over half-a-century.
Oompa, Loompa, doom-pa-dee-do.
Hello Ray, how are you?
Whatever, putz! Don’t confuse me with an ex-postal worker. I’ve told you who I am.
Hey, Oompa Loompas, the “Zodiac speaking” guy can’t match Grant’s writing ability, intellect, and knowledge of the case.
You got it spot on the second time: it’s Farmer or one of his Commissioned (World of Warcraft sobriquet) officers, dropping his GI Joes long enough to cry into a wet blanket–or on Emil’s shoulder–since the “National Security” blog got nuked by Poison Penn.
Charlatans & Mountebanks is about right — at the least, amuse us.
Peek-a-boo you are doomed –
Fortunately, on the subject of Grant’s intelligence, writing ability, and knowledge of the case, light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until they speak. (Stop defending yourself, Ray)
However, with you, my imaginary friend thinks you have serious mental problems. Matter-of-factly:
And you shall see the beautiful things
As you rock in the misty sea,
Where the old shoe rocked the fishermen three:
Wynken, Blynken, and Nod.
Happy Readings
The end.
[BURP]
[FART]
[scratch, scratch]
It’s been brought to my attention that folks are using my name in vain.
Yes, I’m Kevin Barry, and I’m here to clarify a few misnomers.
It appears that the person behind the pseudonym “The Zodiac Troll Net,” has me confused with somebody else. However, you sir, go on to ask why I’ve switched my blog to “private.” In laymen terms, time. I don’t have the time to deal with the cretins that continue plaguing this case. If you’d peek upon the demented verbiage in my personal email inbox, it would bring tears to your eyes. I’ve deliberated on the likelihood that these emails are sent by people institutionalized in mental facilities all over the United States. From the mere fact that you “think” I’m the individual you say I am, conceivably you’re a patient in one of those institutions.
Furthermore, I continue receiving emails from folks requesting access to my blog. However, access has been denied. The last request was made by WordPress.com user, “lazpedroso.” If he reads this post, he will verify that I’m in fact revealing the truth.
From the way, Oompa-Loompa #2 acts, it appears that he is the patriarch of the same mental establishment. Then folks wonder why I switched my blog to private!
Sir, Gareth Penn (whom I admire for his uncanny intelligence) did not shut my blog down. He had nothing to do with my decision, and I’ve not received an email from him demanding a retraction of material(s). However, it seems that Gareth Penn instinctively shut down The Echporizer blog. Why don’t you ask him why?
Mr. Penn knows perfectly well that I’m the only individual who truly understands the Zodiac game. I’ve spoken with him numerous times, and I’ve told him what I think of him. He knows more about me that any of you idiots ever will. He knows where I was born, where I’ve lived, and where I live.
Sincerely,
Kevin Barry
“I wouldn’t know a KEVIN BARRY if a stepped on one.”
Umm… lol… Kev, obviously you’ve also never stepped on an identicon before. Are you and “true Zodiac speaking” housemates—in a MTV ‘Real World’ sort of way, of course—sharing the same computer?
‘The Zodiac Troll Net’ … HE SHOOTS AND SCORES!!!!
and he’s smiling like a butcher’s dog!
KEVIN BARRY just lost his liquor license! He doesn’t know whether to cry or wind his watch!
Get in the fast lane, grandma! The bingo game is ready to roll!
She wants to sell my monkey!
Shave my face with a rusty razor!
Scratch my back with a hacksaw!
Buy Sam a drink, and get his dog one, too!
Let’s go hunt moose on a Harley!
Oh, Lord Stanley, Lord Stanley! Bring me the brandy!
Slap me silly, Sidney!
AND ELVIS HAS JUST LEFT THE BUILDING!!!!
Hey, you dumb cunt.
Kevin Barry became aware that his name was being thrown about like spit in the wind by a third party. He knew who I was but I was unaware of his identity (Kevin Barry) because we’ve previously exchanged communications where he used a different alias. Hence the reason I stated that “I wouldn’t know a Kevin Barry if I stepped on one.”
He tried, unsuccessfully I might add, to post his reply on this forum. Therefore, he contacted me to inform me that he was, in fact, Kevin Barry the person I exchanged communications with under a different alias. Hence his request that I post the reply on his behalf.
I did so.
Now, take your identicon, roll it up really tight, place it inside a Mammillaria, and shove it right up your ass together with your grandma, monkey, rusty razor, hacksaw, Sam, moose, Harley, Lord Stanley, Sidney, and Elvis.
You’re a fucking idiot and you’ll always be recognized as one.
Folks… what we have here is a KEVIN BARRY love connection!
ROTFLOL! Every visitor can do a search on this page for “Barry” and see what comes up. 🙂
Happy Meds Time (and lapse of reason)
(Not) The end.
lol, the Zodiac is not Penn you cheap cockholsters. Much more evidence points to Manson’s The Family connection!! i.e. Bruce Davis.. I have done years of profesional research!
buy my books now . you must learn.
Yeah, s-s-sure Howie – looks as if you and T-Tom Voigt built your sites on a Commodore V-V-VIC-20.
Or was it a p-p-p-lug-in cartridge for Atari’s E.T. the Extra-T-Terrestrial: ‘Help E.T. Find The Zodiac K-Killer’?
oh, I almost forgot… ur the c-c-c-c-c-cockholster!
All I was trying to achieve was show you I understand the game.
Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam, and will cut off from Jeroboam him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel, and will take away the remnant of the house of Jeroboam, as a man taketh away dung, till it be all gone.
Ora zumba na caneca
Ora na caneca zumba
O diabo da caneca
Toda a noite catrapumba.
Berrão bombos e foguetes – oioai
Lá na quinta do Outeiro – oioai
Mata-se o porco em Dezembro – oioai
Prova-se o vinho em Janeiro.
Therefore, beware thee of false prophets who don’t know the time!
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.
There shall, in that time, be rumours of things going astray, erm, and there shall be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things wi– with the sort of raffia work base that has an attachment. At this time, a friend shall lose his friend’s hammer and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before, about eight o’clock.
Yea, verily, at that time, it is written in the book of Obadiah. A man shall strike his donkey and his nephew’s donkey and anyone… [crack] …in the vicinity… [creak crack] …of his nephew or the donkey.
October 13, 1969
Letter San Fran Chronicle
Only three words with undotted i’s
is/Zodiac/taxi
= 141
Minstrel: [singing] Brave Farmer ran away…
C. Farmer: No!
Minstrel: [singing] bravely ran away away…
C. Farmer: I didn’t!
Minstrel: [singing] When Gareth Penn reared his ugly head, he bravely closed his National Security Blog and fled.
C. Farmer: I never did!
Minstrel: [singing] Yes, brave Farmer turned about, and valiantly, he chickened out.
C. Farmer: Oh, you liars!
Minstrel: [singing] Bravely taking to his feet, he beat a very “above-top-secret” retreat. A brave retreat by brave Farmer!
On the farm, every Friday
On the farm, it’s rabbit pie day.
So, every Friday that ever comes along,
I get up early and sing this little song
Run rabbit – run rabbit – Run! Run! Run!
Run rabbit – run rabbit – Run! Run! Run!
Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang!
Goes the farmer’s gun.
Run, rabbit, run, rabbit, run.
Run rabbit – run rabbit – Run! Run! Run!
Don’t give the farmer his fun! Fun! Fun!
He’ll get by
Without his rabbit pie
So run rabbit – run rabbit – Run! Run! Run!
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Hey, you damn faggots. I shot a target sitting in a car with my .38 using a 9mm projectile.
A 357 magnum is a good weapon, but I’ve seen .38s bounce off of windshields. No good in a city like this.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
14/6
2:37
12/21
7:37
17
17.21
.:38
146.38
.:184
32008 : BOOZE
8008 : BOOB
58008 : BOOBS
5318008 : BOOBIES
5318008918 : BIGBOOBIES
53043351 : ISEEHOES
08537 : LESBO
31041134 : HELLHOLE
“Apple seeds, reminds me of Johnny Appleseed.”
— Sandy Betts (June 16, 2017)
SNOW
WONS
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111491
Nana nana, nana nana, hey, hey, hey, you’re all wankers.
“Amazing writing comparisons of Ross compared to Zodiac. Similarities abound, and all of this is from a small, poor quality sample of Ross’s writing.”
— Michael Morford (May 31, 2015)
[Also known as the “Sheeple Test” if you are a member of ZKS and have not challenged Morford’s hokum since at least 2015. ROTFLOL! – “Paul_Averly” as a graphology specialist! – It must be the inept YouTube vids with Oscar-winning musical scores.]
“Once again, California Governor Jerry Brown has denied parole for convicted murderer and Manson family member Bruce Davis.”
— Michael Butterfield (Jun 26, 2017)
[Butterfield posts about once every six months on his ass-raped, obsolete site; when he does, he always has such pertinent breaking news on The ZODIAC CASE. He likes to update his buddy Howard Davis, so Howie knows when he can come out of hiding, again.]
“Those who stay in e-mail contact with me know I’ve been saying for more than a year that 2017 was going to be a HUGE one for the Zodiac case.
Stay tuned for some amazing twists and turns…”
– Tom Voigt (“DNA Update”), June 10 2017
“There may be a surprise or two in store. I’ll post some news & updates very soon!”
– Michael Morford (YouTube) June 28, 2017
[These are not the statements of credible detectives—even amateur ones—rather, they are the teasing refrains of carnival barkers and sideshow hucksters hoping to drum up hits (and cash!) for their flagging websites and deflated egos. Either give the public your evidence or S.T.F.U.]
Hear, hear…
…and then he wrote the “sla” letter. What does the term mean? Theories have ranged from Ted K. to Odin and finally, the Manson family.
First, remove the speck from your eye, and then the plank from your brothers eye! But, the blind have their eyes filled with timber, thus making removal an impossible task to accomplish.
But, there can be only one!
1: Sla, an old Norse word meaning to strike.
2: Sal, a Portuguese word for salt.
3: Sal, an acronym for Student At Large
1, 2, or 3. Which one shall it be?
None of the above. He writes: “S LA Y” with the L & A in bold and the S & Y barely legible. Geee… Now, which prime suspect has those bold letters for his initials? FOOLS.
Not only are you dumb but you also suffer from terrible myopia. Advice: Take it easy with your daily masturbatory exercises. Soon you’ll be at the doctor asking for deep heat to alleviate the pain on your wrist.
And quoting the serial killer, February 14, 1974…(Symbione Liberation Army)
spell “sla,”…
No, go back to watching your little Elmo friend, and leave the highbrow stuff to the wise. Mirrors can’t talk, lucky for you they can’t laugh either.
“Did you know that the initials SLAY (Symbionese Liberation Army) spell “sla”, ….”
INITIALS: “L” and “A” clearly in *BOLD* between incompletely formed “S” and “Y.”
lol – You myopic IGNORAMUS. [Also, the Zodiac’s comma after “sla” is outside of the quote marks. That’s some linguistic detective you are, putz. Sesame Street would indeed be “highbrow” for you – let’s wait till Mummy’s completed your weening and potty-mouth training.
Buh-bye. I have no more time for you, cretin; and obviously, no other forum on the Web does either.
retcnihpsruoynidnuora <==== Use your Romper Room mirror to discover where you can place your July 4 firecracker. ;-O
I was unaware that throughout the Zodiac community the letter was recognized as the “L” and “A letter.” What a fucktard you are!!! Go back to smoking your Mexican Marijuana and rubbing deep heat on your wrist. Go read my initial comments you asshole. You remind me of the bits of fluff I find in my belly button. Meaningless and worthless!
Web forums are filled with hoes and cocksuckers like you. You just don’t have a clue!!! Seriously pinhead lay off the drugs!!!
Letters “N” and “R” clearly in *BOLD* other side of incompletely and faintly formed “E” and “A.”
Since you’re alluding that AL are the initials for Arthur Lee or Lee Alan,
Thus NR are the initials for Nixon Richard or Richard Nixon.
Or, in your case Neverland Return or Return (2) Neverland. Tick Tok goes the clock…
yeah, thanks for posting the actual evidence. I see what you are saying. When looking at the hand printed graphology evidence in context of the whole Sla card, the L and A stand out close to the center of the card like Zodiac was giving the reader some kind of clue – it would definitely follow from his teasing nature. And the bold L A comes just after he has written ‘initials’. Also the LA are in sequence, not like some of these “detective” nonces that claim to unearth 2 and 3 letter anagrams (lol). Furthermore when you say SLAY it sounds a whole lot like S’LEIGH’ – making it even more of a potential clue pointing to the prime suspect. I’m doing some more web searches but this is a great find. well done!
You see folks, what we got here is a crusader – Sounds like it! Shit, the dumb are always being supported by the dumb. Always have, always will.
Hey guest, how the fuck you get here any way? March, man, in Tennessee. Sniff the pines… Sniff turd’s ass down by the river! Whoo, hot damn!
…It sounds a whole lot like S’LEIGH. Let’s see now. Leading the pack was Dasher, followed by Dancer, Prancer, Vixen, Comet, Cupid, Donner, and Blitzen. And bringing up the rear……St. Nicholas, together with turd and guest!
There’s only a handful of fucktards that still believe ALA was the Zodiac. The main protagonist being Gaysmith. Is that that you, Gaysmith?
Or are you the same palooka, shit for brains, that can’t seem to grasp the fact that the Phillips 66 map would not fit in the envelope without the Zodiac folding it first?
Read this Reeeeeaaaallllllly slooooowwwwllllyyy. AaaaaaaLllllllllllAaaaaaaa wwwwwwaaaaaaasssss aaaaabbbbbssssoooollllllvvvvvveeeeeddddd byyyyy DddddddNnnnnnnnAaaaaaa aaaaaannnnnnnaaaaallllllllyyyyyyssssssiiiiiiisssss. Ttttthhhhhuuuuussssss, hhhhhheeeeee cccccaaaaaannnnnooooottttt bbbbbeeeee tttthhhhhheeeeee Zzzzzzooooooddddddiiiiiiiaaaaaaaacccccc.
Geee, you just keep getting deeper in the pile of shit. Stop your web searches. You’re clogging up the matrix.
No one has been “absolved.” Where the hell did law enforcement state that? Only Z case noobs believe that hard evidence (i.e., prints, PARTIAL DNA, etc.) matches across crime scenes and letters. IT DOES NOT. Anal y sis? – You need to take your head out of your anal passage, limey boy.
Ross Sullivan is a great suspect. He matches the Presidio sketch down to the widow’s peak hairline! Blonde hair + style grease = brown hair. Trust me on this.
Ross looked like the heavy set description of Z, even in 1970. – Ross could be violent at times.
The bus bomb map has the word “Ross” printed near the upper left corner. This is the town of Ross, but it always jumps out to me like PEEK-A-BOO!
Ross wrote a morbid poem that freaked out the Librarians. Ross’s voice was the same monotone voice as Z. The RCC librarian was so creeped out by Ross, she kept tabs on him even after he left Riverside.
The 1974 Exorcist letter, was mailed from the Peninsula! That was where Ross was around 1974!
In the “Little List” letter, Z misspells serenader as SERAnader.
On his SS application Ross misspells Syracuse as SERAcuse.
There was a stationary store in Santa Cruz a very short walk from Ross’s place.
Ross leaves Riverside shortly after the Confession Letter.
Ross was a dishwasher. On the dashboard were “plastic scouring pads.”
Pro!
Ross had schizophrenia. If ever I saw a guilty man–CASE CLOSED!
For me, it’s very clear that Ross was Zodiac. It would just be way to many coincidences to be a fluke. Odds are very strong that Ross was the Zodiac.
Morf will be posting some more updates on Ross soon! STAY TUNED FOLKS!
circle-cROSS
So are you saying ALA was not eliminated and Ross is the Zodiac? That seems to be a contradiction. And for the record, LE did state ALA was not the contributor of the palm print, partial DNA, Stine print, and letters. So yes, if we are going by physical evidence, ALA is eliminated. If we we are only going by circumstantial evidence, apparently anyone can be the Zodiac because I’ve seen so many people accused already in books and in every Zodiac site available. What makes Ross a better circumstantial suspect than all the others? What physical evidence links him?
“And for the record, LE did state ALA was not the contributor of the palm print, partial DNA, Stine print, and letters.”
AGAIN: Please provide the official quote where law enforcement states that Arthur Leigh Allen is “absolved.”
Only Z case noobs believe that hard evidence (i.e., prints, PARTIAL DNA, etc.) matches across crime scenes and letters. IT DOES NOT.
The “palm print”? What a fucking joke. Contaminated evidence that the police at the time were handing around to each other with bare hands and taking home isn’t going to eliminate anyone. So what are we down to? Handwriting? You’re going to “absolve” ALA based on handwriting? You are all a bunch of morons.
Who is David Joseph Carpenter?
Hey, you candyass motherfucker, who’re you calling Limey boy? The only head that needs to come out of “your” ass is none other than your asshopper friend, and Sasquatch hunter, Morf.
He’s so far up you ass, that he can see through your eye sockets while you apply deep heat to your wrist, after a marathon masturbatory event.
Ross is no more the Zodiac than Sasquatch a real thing. They’re all a figment of Morf’s twisted and bitchass mind. And, from what I understand, he’s indoctrinated YOU and his clan over at his forum into believing such.
You talk about schizophrenia? When last did you get a psychiatric assessment?
Although Kelly Carroll and Michael Maloney never used the term “absolved” (I did,) they did claim the the DNA evidence cleared Allen as the person that licked the envelopes and stamps from the confirmed Zodiac letters.
However, before you reply with another “feather in ma’at” buttfucka comment, don’t tell me you’re going to use the same lameass excuse that somebody else did the lickin, and Allen the beatin? If that is the case, and in you schizo state I believe that it is, then the prognosis is that there were “multiple” Zodiacs. But hang on a minute, my little asspirate. Stop being an hypocrite and stop pushing Ross as the single entity in the events.
Solution? Ask Morford to SERAnade you a song, while you Masturbate yourself to a comatose state.
circle-cROSS? My ass! You and your band of compadres have your cabecas up each other’s asses, forming a new version of the human centipede.
The answer lies with Pleasanton. But because you have so much shit in your eyes, you can’t see the answer.
Good day to you, sir.
JeffP wrote: “According to Dave Peterson’s (reporter from Santa Cruz Sentinel) notes, Ross was arrested in Los Angeles in July 1969 for public drunkenness. So we know for sure he was there that month. I bet he fled there after the July 4th murder and didn’t return to San Fran until July 29 or 30th.”
by doranchak » Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:38 am:
“What is the source for the notes? I don’t have this event on my Ross Sullivan timeline yet.
UPDATE: Never mind; I found it. It is from Howard Davis’ account of Peterson’s notes. Would be nice to confirm the arrest record and/or get a copy of Peterson’s notes.”
TRANSLATION: Howard Davis is an opportunistic FRAUD who, today, is ashamed to post under his real name; and few people other than Tom Voigt promote his B.S.
…After that, there were no more calls. It was 9 May 1981. I didn’t need to speak to the caller to know who it was.
1 May 1967
9 May 1981
14 years 8 days
.: 184
How much longer do I need to be with you?
Almost 50 years without a solution to this little Zodiac word play:
“Des, July, Aug, Sep, Oct = 7”
DOJ, SA
(DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, SACRAMENTO)
I wonder who worked there?
On the Melvin Belli letter the Zodiac wrote:
“I cannot reach out for help because this thing in me won’t let me.”
In 1955, the president of the Pegasus Club, wrote a poem titled “The Beast Within.”
Somebody compared her to “agate,” a semi-precious stone.
Could the lady “agate” be “a gate” of entry to the Zodiac game?
Use your brains, you fools!
Could the lady “agate” be “a gate” of entry to the Zodiac game?
I refute you, thus.
.: You are a penis-less pillock.
WAAAAAAAAHHH! ‘Portugal. The Man’s dumb ass whooped by Paul_Averly!
“Throw the buns in for the nutter” –
.: when you Argumentum ad Lapidem, where’s your evidence or reasoning for refuting my claim, you twat? Come now Johnson, prove me wrong? It seems that Berkeley’s theory annoys you? Thus, put on your Wingwalker boots, and go kick some stones at the bottom of the nearest ravine. But, leave Old Betsy behind. You’ve killed enough skunks. Do you remember these 32 Characters – I’m the killer of the young girl in Poway? What about the 329 squares of paper that reveal 25/11, Joan Webster’s age at the time of her murder in November?
Now, concerning your false statement that I’m a penis-less pillock. Before you find out through other sources, allow me to share the news that it’s not what your ex told me. In fact, whilst I was busy tickling the inside of her birth canal, she claimed that she could feel me hitting her stomach. Whatever that means.
“Guest” –
Hy is ‘n doos!
Yes, besides being fluent in Portuguese, my entry comment is written in one of the many languages I speak. In fact, I’ll share a little secret with you. I’m fluent in English, Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, and…go Google the entry comment to find out the fourth, jou fokken holnaaier poes.
In other words, you’re nothing more than a 5 cent pole dancer, you intellectually-less naai.
“when you Argumentum ad Lapidem”
∴ You admit that your statements are absurd.
Our work here is done.
Move along now infidels. Back to the rock you crawled out of you bunch of imps. It seems that a collective (our) don’t have the foggiest when interpreting dead languages. Are these are the great minds that continually apply themselves to the task of solving the Zodiac case? You have got to be kidding me!!! You are way in over your heads you pack of plonkers. Move along now and go color in some kindergarten books.
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Tahoe27 shows her true colors:
“When was this quoted and were are you quoting it from, Richard”
Read the case files, you dumb blond Cinder-fucking-rella!
I’ve been alone with Tahoe27 inside my mind!
“Tom isn’t exactly one to drum up hype without warrant, and he seems to be pretty excited about this one.”
– gdupree, Aug. 4, 2017
“Same here! Long time lurker, and I agree, I think this may be a validation to Tom’s Gaik theories.”
– Sporkums.marvelmasterworksfansite, Aug. 4, 2017
[sycophant (n.): a person who acts obsequiously toward someone “important” in order to gain advantage.]
Alexa, how did Nazi Germany start…
Joao
Is that you?
“Some people have wayyy too much time on their hands”
– morf13, Aug. 8, 2017
[This, coming from a wannabe-Fincher who devotes his time to making slick ‘style over substance’ YouTube vids—text cuts are wayyy too fast, btw—pushing copycat Zodiac letters in order to keep alive, FAILED suspect, Ross Sullivan.]
Alexa, what does it mean to be a hypocrite?
Well, this sure has been insightful. I don’t have anything or relevance to discuss either, so here’s a recipe for spaghetti.
1. Boil water in a large pot. To make sure pasta doesn’t stick together, use at least 4 quarts of water for every pound of noodles.
2. Salt the water with at least a tablespoon—more is fine. The salty water adds flavor to the pasta.
3. Add pasta. …
4. Stir the pasta. …
5. Test the pasta by tasting it. …
6. Drain the pasta. …
7. Look for all your Zodiac answers hidden in the noodles. There you will find that ALA, Penn, etc. are not, have not, and never will be… Zodiac. You may also come to realize that you are a moron. Have a nice day. Morons.
Get yer ‘ot crossed buns ‘ere! A fortnight old and ha’penny loaf – just as the nuttah would ‘ave ’em. Luvs ‘is buns, the Billy no-mates-knob-‘ead does! Why settle for that frog ‘umpty-numpty, Quasimodo, when we’ve got the Full-on-Modo ‘ere? … Step right up to the cage an’ fro’ yer buns in for the nuttah! Toss ’em to the tossah!
CITIZEN ALERT! Antioch, California woman warns that Zodiac is back and he’s knocking over patio fountains! If ever we needed proof that this perp’s M.O. involves masonry – He sure knows how to break it!
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by sandy betts » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:28 pm
“Two days after my Aug 11th post about the name Tony, the scars and tattoos,apparently that post upset my stalker, which tells me I touched on something that may have made him angry?
On Aug 13 the night before my birthday, “someone” knocked over a fairly large concrete fountain that was on my enclosed front patio. (That is the second time this year!)
I heard a large boom about 10:30 pm, thank goodness I didn’t go out side to see what it was! It was so loud that I thought it came from inside my home.
I post this information to let everyone know what is taking place, including the police. If something should happen to me, what I put on these sites is like documentation, in case the police lose what I report to them.
It isn’t likely to happen, because the police have his picture and he knows that, he would be the first person the police would go after. I doubt he would want that.
That picture may have saved my life?
pizzaMan, please check you messages”
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What next? Will the Zodiac killer show a total disregard for California’s residential shrubbery and manicured privets? OH, THE HUMANITY!
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by sandy betts » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:28 pm
“Two days after my Aug 11th post about the name Tony, the scars and tattoos,apparently that post upset my stalker, which tells me I touched on something that may have made him angry?
On Aug 13 the night before my birthday, “someone” knocked over a fairly large concrete fountain that was on my enclosed front patio. (That is the second time this year!)
I heard a large boom about 10:30 pm, thank goodness I didn’t go out side to see what it was! It was so loud that I thought it came from inside my home.
I post this information to let everyone know what is taking place, including the police. If something should happen to me, what I put on these sites is like documentation, in case the police lose what I report to them.
It isn’t likely to happen, because the police have his picture and he knows that, he would be the first person the police would go after. I doubt he would want that.
That picture may have saved my life?
pizzaMan, please check you messages”
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CITIZEN ALERT! Antioch, California woman warns that Zodiac is back and he’s knocking over patio fountains! If ever we needed proof that this perp’s M.O. involves masonry – for he sure knows how to break it!
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by sandy betts » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:28 pm
“Two days after my Aug 11th post about the name Tony, the scars and tattoos,apparently that post upset my stalker, which tells me I touched on something that may have made him angry?
On Aug 13 the night before my birthday, “someone” knocked over a fairly large concrete fountain that was on my enclosed front patio. (That is the second time this year!)
I heard a large boom about 10:30 pm, thank goodness I didn’t go out side to see what it was! It was so loud that I thought it came from inside my home.
I post this information to let everyone know what is taking place, including the police. If something should happen to me, what I put on these sites is like documentation, in case the police lose what I report to them.
It isn’t likely to happen, because the police have his picture and he knows that, he would be the first person the police would go after. I doubt he would want that.
That picture may have saved my life?
pizzaMan, please check you messages”
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What next? Will the Zodiac killer show a total disregard for California’s residential shrubbery and manicured privets? OH, THE HUMANITY, pizzaMan! We can only hope that Tom Voigt, Howard Davis, and the rest of the crack(head) Task Force shamuses can lend their services to law enforcement… you know… like, to lessen their caseload burden.
Mentioning “shrubbery” and “manicured privets” to our Oregon state convicted STALKER readers? ………………..TRIGGERED!
Atop his website’s main page, Tom VOIGT exclusively advertises Michael Sechrest’s 2017 book, “Zodiac Code: Solved! Confession of the Zodiac Killer” and promotes the author and his work, including these statements from the book’s FOREWORD by “Zodiac expert Tom Voigt”:
“My name is Tom Voigt. I have studied the Zodiac case for more than 20 years. I’ve devoted almost half my life to learning the identity of the Zodiac killer.
During that time, I’ve seen hundreds of theories; some good, many bad, and most stretching the limits of credibility, logic and intelligence. Knowing Mr. Sechrest, I can attest that is not the case here.
I’ve been involved in many television documentaries and countless newspaper and online articles dedicated to finding the solution to the Zodiac’s unsolved codes. Has Sechrest found the answer? Maybe. I hope so. Ultimately the true experts in Cryptography will decide.
In the meantime, enjoy his compelling presentation.”
— Repeat: Tom VOIGT states that Michael Sechrest “Maybe” has found the answer; Tom VOIGT “hopes so.”
— According to Sechrest’s theory in “Zodiac Code: Solved,” who exactly confesses? . . .
SECHREST: “I am certain that the cipher solution identifies Arthur Leigh Allen as the Zodiac. I can prove that beyond a reasonable doubt.” [Cha. 14]
What follows is but a sampling of more direct quotes from “Zodiac expert” Tom VOIGT:
VOIGT: “If you follow the evidence you will see it does not fit Allen . . . .” [Jan.17, 2008]
VOIGT: “Allen was cleared every way a suspect can be cleared in this case . . . .” [Jun.22, 2009]
VOIGT: “Who still considers Allen a suspect? He has been ruled out every possible way.” [Jun.25, 2009]
VOIGT: “Who still considers Allen a suspect? He has been ruled out every possible way.” [Jul.20, 2009]
VOIGT: “Needless to say, I was shocked and dismayed that he [Graysmith] chose to publish incorrect and misleading info to further his theory that Allen was the Zodiac.” [Aug.10, 2012]
VOIGT: “And they did bungle the Allen investigation, even if he wasn’t the Zodiac.” [Oct.4, 2012]
VOIGT: “[W]hat I did online regarding Arthur Leigh Allen from 1998 through 2003 got him re-investigated by the police and eliminated in every possible way, right?” [Nov.5, 2013]
VOIGT: “If it wasn’t for people like us, Allen and several other suspects would still be on the radar wasting the time of investigators, both amateur and professional.” [Aug. 25, 2015]
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I doubt any cognitive dissonance exists – in the psychological sense (that would be a healthy sign!) – since Tom Voigt and his dwindling members and proponents don’t appear thus far to experience the slightest discomfort resulting from holding these simultaneously incongruous beliefs and attitudes. NOTE: this state of affairs can only make for the worst type of investigators and investigations.
So, Tom the Tank Engine claims – “I have studied the Zodiac case for more than 20 years. I’ve devoted almost half my life to learning the identity of the Zodiac killer.”
Man, life is tough when you’re a convicted stalker.
But, I will go a step further and say that he’s also a convicted moronic investigator who over 20 years has not once promulgated a clear and instructive narrative on the subject of the Zodiac’s idenity.
He seems to latch on to other’s creeds in a brazen attempt to inflate and aggrandize his already overinflated ego.
You see, he wants to be recognized as the big enchilada, the 5 pound Burrito, the meat in the cannelloni.
However, he’s nothing more than a little thumbtack that’s never once been sharp, and will always remain blunt.
Tommy’s song goes something like this:
Allen was a man who thought he was a loner,
But he knew it couldn’t last,
Tommy left his home in Tucson, Arizona,
For some California grass.
Get back, get back,
Get back to where you once belonged,
Get back, get back
Get back to where you once belonged,
Get back Allen, Blaine Blaine, Richard Gaikowski, etc…
Go home, Tommy…
For the love of Merciful Allah! And for the fear and loathing of the howling fantods! Would somebody please get Howard Davis some medical attention… STAT!
[Sept. 14, 2017] Howard Davis (“bruce3”):
“For my part I do not to be misunderstood. I do not -after reading, several times,reports some of which I got from Z expert Dave Peterson -the LB reports.
No where in those reports does it say that Z was wearing a ‘welders hood.’ I was only in my post bringing out that whoever Z was he seemed ‘comfortable’ to some degree wearing a hood due to the fact his vison would be somewhat limited and he knew he was going to confront TWO people one of whom was 6 ft. with his gun. So it was possible he wore a welders helmet at some point in his past and therefore was used to restricted vision just as welders are as their vision has adjusted to this very limited spectrum eye contact and line of vision along with their peripheral vision with the recti and oblique eye muscles accomedating chaning the elongation or contracture of the eye orb all of which I studied. I am not leaving out any other kind of profession where vision is restricted.
I posted in detail on the Z costume- if it be called that -based on all of the reports I have.”
[Sept. 15, 2017] “Howard Davis (“bruce3”):
“Sandy,
I know I was using the post as a spring board so that others would know I was advocating for a hood-not a welders helmet/hat that was black and was as our only living witness now or BH described it as well as the rest of Z’s garb in the PD reports.”
Howard – seriously, man – you really need to stop spiking your Fluoxetine with the juice.
Ladies & Gentlemen… meet another of Tom Voigt’s creepers:
Ratman:
“On google maps I see S(*redacted*) R(*redacted*) (one of the kids back then)?, is selling ice cream out of the house. Would be interesting to go buy some and discuss that night with him and his siblings if they are there.”
Like most of Voigt’s cast of pseudonymous creepers, mad-as-hell geriatric couch potato, “Ratman” does not intend to do any of the investigative legwork (spasticity joystick control in neutral – check!) beyond public record doxing, clicking Google Maps (Allo! Allo! Quantico), and exposing private citizens – who’d rather be left alone, thank you – to his fellow nutters. He’s relying on his looking like a social justice Watson if only someone else could actually put in the effort. Then he’d say—like the 60’s Shake n’ Bake dolly—”And I helped!”
* redacted here, but not by ratfink
October 5, 2017 Open Memo to Law Enforcement:
WHEREAS, we understand official law enforcement can and should acquire potential evidence re a cold case by tapping the knowledge of civilian investigators;
WHEREAS, the Zodiac killer case amateur community is fraught with POI/suspect biases, admin/mod/member collusion and partisan machinations;
WHEREAS, basic online searches evidence the motives of some website administrators to exploit, ridicule, and/or ban materials not in line with their own pet theories;
Now, THEREFORE, should the Vallejo Police Department, or any other for that matter be permitting civilian, ____________ (with or without gloves!) to have access to boxes of public correspondence (crime tips) sent in good faith and confidence, addressed to said law enforcement department?
What say ye? VPD? Internal Affairs? Attorney General? FBI?
I have been interested in codes for years and I may only be twelve but I can solve almost every puzzle put infront of me. This puzzle will be challenging but I will do my best to solve it
Let’s see now…hmmm, Marshall drove the vehicle, Sullivan wrote the letters/cards, and Allen did the slaying. However what these Caras de mierda have failed to recognize is that History Channel’s new Zodiac series is not a live event. In other words the episodes have been edited and re-edited before being screened. If there was the slightest probability that the three “experts” had perhaps solved the Zodiac’s game, or, in fact, produced a name worth considering, don’t folks think that LE would have a suspect in custody? However, ding, ding, all his well in the Zodiac lane. And there’s been no media furor over the event. And why?????? Because the series producers and “expert investigators” keep chasing shadows under the directions of Tom Voigt, Michael Butterfield, and other cabrons. I find it highly unlikely that LE would keep an individual wrapped under cover waiting for the series to end prior to revealing his name. Let’s not forget Carmel, (?????? by the sea??????) the super computer that purportedly thinks like a criminal. No folks, it’s not Carmel, but most likely a Camel.
CARMEL… Can any of you gals place Ross in Vallejo? (lol)
When a heretofore-adamant Ross researcher states online after the History Channel ‘The Hunt for the Zodiac’ episode on Sullivan: “I just want to see him properly ruled out” – That’s some twich & squirm hedge betting and goal-post-shifting for anyone attuned to Zodiac Web forums. Spoiler Alert:—I’m calling it—Ross will be all but History after this series. If you think I’m being unfair, then you’re missing the profuse nepotism and glad-handing of pet suspect theories evident from the first episode.
(lol) Zodiac “author” Michael Butterfield trotted out like a one-trick pony yet again to rehash his no-theory rote crime scene summaries at the History Channel’s site (I smell Pulitzer!). . . . Then there’s Dave Oranchak chewing on a pen and raising a brow in the lab when Commodore CARMEL “discovers” the pivots in the 340 cipher!
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=zodiac+cipher+340+pivots+smithy
The ZKF forum, which had some of the earliest references to the pivots (≈2012, I believe) is presently unavailable.
Dave O. later reacts to Sullivan’s description as if he’d never built a whole timeline on Ross and widow’s peak animated gifs to please Morford at ZKS… uhh… years ago. (Oh, the showboating! So this is how cold cases are cracked, is it?)
I find it rather disquieting that the esteemed academic and engineering minds in the lab know better, but are complicit in the charade for the entertainment value envisioned by writers, directors, and producers. This is a real serial murder case – right? History Channel, please don’t tease me and certainly don’t think you’re fooling those of us that spend years earnestly researching and following this case.
(I haven’t watched ‘Capricorn One’ since I was a kid, but now I’ve now got a yen to view it again . . . At least that has astronaut O.J. as a bonus feature!) :-p
Today, the amateur forums’ admins & mods exchange winks and nods as they gloat and tease by dangling carrots of alleged Ross evidence they claim is just around the corner if we only stay tuned. . . to Oak Island!
CARMEL!
Just so everybody knows: new member, “Berryessa92769” on Zodiackiller.com is dumbass, “Paul_Averly” from ZKF AND ZKS.
CARMEL!
You must help us! This is PRIORITY NUMBER ONE for Paul: What can you tell us about suspect, Ross Sullivan in the California city of Vallejo? . . .
CARMEL computer testing grounds…
A little scarab whispered in my ear that in the first episode one of the investigators purportedly blurted out that the Zodiac was 6’2″????
Where did he gather his evidence from? Don’t tell me that they began the series with the preconception of ramming Sullivan down our throats. According to reports, Sullivan was 6’2″.
Thus, what kind of investigation is this???
None of the eyewitness statements indicate that the Zodiac was that tall. Thus, for the love of God, can someone reading this post please help me with this confusing circumstance. Please provide me the link to document evidence where it indicates that the Zodiac was,in fact, that tall.
Please help me because I’m drownding.
Is it not peculiar that Michael Butterfield, admin of ZodiacKillerFACTS.com, who for decades has made it his occupation to expose the most venial of inconsistencies in Zodiac Killer case reportage, makes no effort to challenge the glaring errors in the History Channel’s “The Hunt for the Zodiac Killer”? On the contrary, from his website and resuscitated social media presence, Butterfield is one of the show’s most ardent boosters.
Viewers of Episode 1 were erroneously informed, or led to believe that . . .
The Zodiac’s weight profile was “250 lbs.” [to match Ross Sullivan, who was closer to 260 lbs.];
Sullivan qualifies as “knowing” the Bay Area because he resided in Santa Cruz [60-70 miles away from SF];
The Palace Stationers’ Mikado ad ran when Sullivan lived in Santa Cruz [the ad’s date was in actuality: 1960];
The Zodiac Killer typed/wrote on “Zodiac” stationery [to the extent any watermarks were examined, it was ‘Monarch’];
The Riverside crime scene boot prints were the “same ones from up north” [no, they were Lake Berryessa ‘Wing Walkers’];
The Lake Berryessa crime occurred in July [!]
It would appear that Michael Butterfield is all about “Separating Fact from Fiction” so long as he is not jeopardizing his TV contract and payday. By his own admission to forum members years ago, Butterfield illegally videotaped the release of the David Fincher film, “Zodiac” (of which M.B. was a consultant) from a movie theater in 2007. It became his obsession for years—and likely still is—to rant about the seemingly slightest of peccadillos he perceives in that work’s writing, filming, and production. As far as the final cut and whatever the extent of his consultancy, Butterfield was clearly not a happy camper. You had better believe, however, that he waited until he had cash-in-hand before proceeding to rampage and trash that film!
Today, Butterfield is under contract to the History Channel and what we observe from him – and equally – what we don’t is further evidence that when it comes to the Zodiac Killer case, Michael Butterfield is one more Hypocrite and Opportunist with his hand out.
[Note: M.B. may currently disable his old forum and perhaps even attempt to “clean” it up, but make no mistake; I have all the documentation I need to support all of what I stated above, and a whole lot more!]
Can you imagine Butterfield’s reaction if director, Fincher and screenwriter, James Vanderbilt had employed the conceit of a supercomputer in their Zodiac film to “uncover” case clues that were already publicly available online – some even from Butterfield’s own forum membership – half a decade earlier? Never would we hear the end of it! By now, M.B. would have endured day and night terrors, suffered the howling fantods, and succumbed to The Mother of all Apoplectic Fits.
But just offer him a freelance Thanksgiving bonus (helped by a Dave O. buddy reference, no doubt) together with the opportunity to stroke his ego by once again regurgitating the expository crime scenes timeline, and he’s all about “see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.”
Yeah. It’s just the facts, all right.
Michael Butterfield, you are a low-life scumbag and charlatan extraordinaire.
Have you no empathy or love in that diseased body of yours?
How dare you make a mockery of a cold case that’s brought so much pain and suffering to so many people?
How dare you promote your “assumptions” to a bunch of “supposedly” expert investigators who can’t, don’t, and never will see the forest for the trees?
Stop promoting your vomit, you morally corrupt cretin!
It’s disgraceful and nauseating seeing the ineptitude and lack of respect the show pays the victims. New investigation my ass. There’s nothing I’ve seen that’s cleared the waters. In fact, these idiots are going over old ground time and time again.
How much lower will you go for fame and glory?
You the type of person who will sell his soul to the devil for 5 minutes of pedestal time.
Some zodiac letter has Wicca symbols in letter just saying may help
Don’t talk just listen.
I admire you writings
I admire your books
I admire your phone calls
I admire you
If the cipher academics and experts on History Channel’s “Hunt for the Zodiac” are making such a bold SOLUTION claim by Ep.4, then why is one of their lead members stating this, TODAY?:
http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?p=57331#p57331
I wonder what the academic institutions that award degree/teaching credentials and hire these cipher experts have to say about this sensationalist TV approach. I would think the affiliated colleges & universities want to maintain the highest integrity for education, research, and publishing. I’m finding it hard to reconcile this conflict with how the participants are obviously complicit in deceiving the public regarding real assault and murder tragedies.
I don’t know anything about cracking cyphers, but I did notice something about the 340 that can be seen in plain sight. If you divide it into four parts ( like crosshairs), and you look at the symbols and letters where it divides, you will see mostly just symbols but only three letters. PHD. Could Zodiac have been a PHD? Could it be a clue? I never thought much of the Ted Kaczynski theory, but he was a PHD. I guess you have to ask if all those misspellings were intentional or not because it’s difficult to imagine someone with higher education having such atrocious spelling.
I’ve seen more integrity, honesty, professionalism, responsibility, brotherhood, dedication, sympathy, and excitement in a single Oak Island episode, than in any episode of the vomit filled, repulsive, erroneous, unprofessional, and garbage filled series, The Hunt for the Zodiac Killer.
… and all I gotta have is a code-breaker Ph.D.!
“RICHARDMNIKSONN” lulwut!
So this IS the “solution” that they want the world to acknowledge?
Dr. Ryan Garlick: “How to know that you haven’t solved the Zodiac-340 cipher” via David Oranchak: http://www.zodiackillerciphers.com/?p=602
Oranchak: “To his guide I would add my litmus test: If your approach can generate many different and equally compelling plaintext messages, then you can’t prove your approach is the one used by Zodiac to encrypt his message.”
They are little more than a sycophantic gaggle of cipher elitist Hypocrites trying to peddle a bull**** “solution” for History Channel limelight and a cheap payday.
Yes, their respective academic institutions must be so proud.
I stumbled across an old article about a man in custody who had been killing elderly women in their homes in 1988. He would bind them with electrical cords. I didn’t get deep into the article, but I did see that he was originally from Vallejo. I had meant to come back to it later, but I lost the link and don’t remember who the man was. Does anyone know his name? Older women would be lower risk and easier targets for an older (at this point) man.
The Zim call was one minute late.
Sandy Betts:
“Knowing what I know about Zodiac, I doubt he would have made it in the military.”
MwaHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.
You see folks, here’s a prime example of the stupidity that continues plaguing this case. When a self-professed Zodiac buff like Sandy publishes this kind of vomit how on earth will this case ever be solved? She continues claiming that she KNOWS the Zodiac. Well, Sandy, I have bad news for you…you don’t!
You don’t know a single thing about the case, the Zodiac, or the game. You think you do but you don’t. You and your comments are an hindrance to the detectives that continue searching for answers to the Zodiac’s identity. Do the world a favor and keep your comments to yourself. Or better yet, try promoting your vomit to the producers on the latest fantasy series “The Hunt for the Zodiac Killer.” They seem to enjoy being surrounded by, and wading, in shit. You’ll fit really nicely alongside them, the tinsel town detectives, and your pal Ta-hoe27.
Hey, if you’re short of cash, give me a shout. I’ll buy you a new set of Water Wings.
MERRY CHRISTMASS! My, my, my . . . Zanta Baby sees that we do have some naughty little elves about!
https://imgur.com/NdwlLCh
Does anyone else in the community who respects our U.S. Constitutional Rights have a problem with this ZKS post? Imagine if you, your children, or other innocent family members were being tailed, harassed, and conspired against for the purposes of extrajudicial DNA harvesting. What we have here is nothing more than a witch hunt, goon squad culture fostered and overseen by ZKS admin. Michael Morford and his SIX moderators: Misty Johansen (“tahoe27”), David Oranchak (“doranchak”), Deb Silva (“Seagull”), Mark Walsh (“traveller1st”), AK Wilks, and Zamantha.
Let’s notify the surviving Sullivan family and let the A.C.L.U. lawsuits commence!
whoa! just got a text alert. I received this evidence as a mass email, but there were some more samples, too. Those posts are still up on the site! I’d call that ‘collusion’ if it were not so blatant – to deprive a citizen of his/her rights to life, liberty & pursuit of happiness. Those goons should be ashamed of themselves, one and all. Showed a bit of this to my brother (lawyer) he thinks they’ll get their asses sued big time. lol
We have yet more examples of the miscarriage of sanity at zodiackiller.com perpetuated by Sandy Betts and Tom Voigt. Poor Sandy – you just know Tom and Mike Morford chuckle to themselves behind her back, thinking of her age, and how much longer the ridiculousness could possibly last, anyway . . . (probably longer than Tom & Mike’s last vestige of credibility within official L.E.).
Sandy Betts (Posts 1,737 <—-My God! What an achievement for zodiackiller.com and Voigt! Dec. 25, 2017 at 07:53 on zodiackiller.com)
"EPotts, You should probably save your energy, I think most know that the cipher was not solved. It was pretty obvious if you ask me."
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HOWEVER, WITHIN THE SPAN OF 10 HRS WE HAVE BETTS THEN STATING:
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Sandy Betts (Dec. 25, 2017 at 17:14 on zodiackiller.com)
"fxbby74, You hit on something that fits one of my rh suspect thanks. His birthday is 1-15. I wasn't sure which one of the two rh's I have that I needed look at more? Part of your solution showing the birth date helps. For those of you who think that I make things up as I go along, check my thread from yrs ago. You will see that I wrote the suspect rh came in to my work with a small group of friends, they were celebrating a ‘birthday’ or anniversary."
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fxbby74 forever posts the most inane crypto-babble, shapes-in-the-clouds, smoke & mirrors "clues" ALL pointing to Earl Van Best, Jr. as the Zodiac (!). As long as one of them "fits one of" Sandy's suspects then it's A HIT SOLUTION!! for Sandy Betts and a big "thanks."
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Sandy Betts (Oct. 25, 2017, 06:19 on zodiackiller.com)
“The evidence should fit the crime, not the other way around. Changing the evidence to match a suspect is a shameful crime.”
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BWAAAAAHAAAAHAHAHAHAAH…HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAH…OOOOOHHHH…HEEEEEEHEHEHE!
Tom Voigt's and Michael Morford's sites truly are the perfect litmus test of credibility in the Zodiac Killer amateur research world: If you are a member of their forums and you aren't calling out this BULLSHIT then PLAIN and SIMPLE: YOU ARE an IDIOT.
The Hunt for The Zodiac Killer: Season 1
Episode 4 (37m:24s):
V.O.: “Exploring the possibility that the Zodiac could have been a civilian genius, Sal and Ken begin to search for links between the Zodiac’s writings and his early childhood influences.”
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Then why the HELL are they going to talk to Misty Johansen (Tahoe27)!? Johansen DOES NOT believe that The Zodiac Killer authored the Halloween Card or several others of the missives that L.E. case detectives and questioned document examiners consider canonical.
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Misty Johansen (37m:49s):
“Zodiac was definitely influenced with (sic), you know, the culture and what was going on at the time, you know. He copied a lot of what he did, you know; he was trying to come across as unique, but, I mean there’s really a lot of what he got comes (sic) from detective magazines, comes from comic books.”
. . .
“And, you know, if you look at the Zodiac Halloween card – you can see HERE, it’s mentioned By Fire, By Knife, By Gun, By Rope. You take a look at this HERE; it has Tim Holt, the Red Mask comic from 1952. You can see here By Rope, By Gun, By Knife, By Fire.”
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And you can SEE HERE (sorry Sal, Ken, and History Channel – Karga Seven Pictures Inc. – ZodiacKillerSite.com limelight seekers & payday grubbers) repeatedly on RECORD what Misty Johansen, aka Tahoe27, really believes about the Halloween card as AUTHENTIC Zodiac Killer evidence:
ZodiacKillerSite.com, ‘Re: Pines, FK/Crackproof, Halloween-Same guy not ZODIAC?’
by Tahoe27 » Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:53 pm
“10/27/70 – Halloween Card – Mailed to Paul AverLY – AFTER he reports about the (^^) 10/5/1970 Card
CLOSELY look at the writing. Just doesn’t look like Zodiac to me at all! Not even the circle-cross on the inside of the card….and more paste-ups.”
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ZodiacKillerSite.com, ‘Re: Pines, FK/Crackproof, Halloween-Same guy not ZODIAC?’
Post by Tahoe27 » Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:46 am
“After taking a look at the 10/12/70 card to Dr. Adams, I think it is safe to say the sender (whether one believes it is Zodiac or not) was the same person who wrote the:
10/5/70 – FK I’m Crackproof card ’13’
10/12/70 – Card to Dr. Adams – ‘You are next’
10/27/70 – Halloween card ’14’
3/22/71 – Pines card ’12’
7/13/71 – In the Woods dies April ’21′”
. . .
“As most here know, I do not think these were the work of Zodiac.”
. . .
“Sorry, but I am completely convinced this was the work of the best hoaxer who was out there at the time (out of hundreds) and hats off to him for pulling one over on so many of us (myself included) for such a long time. –Just my take of course.”
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LOL. What “Zodiac Historian,” Misty Johansen has “amassed” after spending over twenty years researching the serial killer, is one of the most “extensive bodies” of USELESS CYNICISM on record (‘Just My Take of Course!’). Congratulations to Sal, Ken and all the AR-15-toting mama suckas!
NAILED IT! 😉
This one goes out especially to all my Salt Lake lickin’, tequila lime wedge chasin’, Trump-McLovin’, AR-15-totin’ mamas!
Comment of the year thus far:
Mike R.
“I am a bit surprised that nobody here has apparently read my book.”
Are you really that surprised? Folks are sick and tired of reading garbage. Your research has led to no arrest. If it had, the Zodiac would be behind bars. In other words, your book is not worth a pinch of salt. Thus, are you, a gold-catcher or gold-digger?
Solution: Contact the History Channels producers. They would love to have you on board for their second round of vomit!
Re: Possibly MAJOR Ross Sullivan writing find in yearbook
Post by Ham Friend » Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:56 pm
“Just scored Ross’ sophomore yearbook for Binghamton 1957! Woohoo! I dont think there are sigs but still cool.”
Woohoo! Ham Friend, you have about 14 mins left; you’d best give Morf 13 of those. He’s gonna need them on his way out.
Mental illness on display here. Cute.
DNA evidence that was used to disqualify a number of Zodiac Killer suspects appears to be in error.
“The partial DNA profile that was obtained back in 2002 by Dr. Cydne Holt for the ABC television show ‘Primetime Thursday’ was collected from the outside of the stamp,” Mr. Voigt wrote. “No genetic material was obtained from behind the stamp, or the seal of the envelope, or anywhere else that would have most certainly belonged to the Zodiac.” (emphasis his)
Voigt got the news from “a retired SFPD inspector,” and he then confirmed the information with Dr. Holt. Apparently Dr. Holt was clear about which parts of the envelope the DNA was collected from, but that was lost in the editing process for the ABC special. The DNA profile built from that genetic material could have been from a postal employee or anyone else who handled the envelope in its journey, not necessarily the killer.
It would now appear that Arthur Leigh Allen and other suspects thought to be disqualified can once again be considered viable suspects. Allen in particular remains one of the most intriguing.
— By Brinkwire on January 23, 2018
Blast from the recent past . . .
VOIGT: “If you follow the evidence you will see it does not fit Allen . . . .” [Jan.17, 2008]
VOIGT: “Allen was cleared every way a suspect can be cleared in this case . . . .” [Jun.22, 2009]
VOIGT: “Who still considers Allen a suspect? He has been ruled out every possible way.” [Jun.25, 2009]
VOIGT: “Who still considers Allen a suspect? He has been ruled out every possible way.” [Jul.20, 2009]
VOIGT: “Needless to say, I was shocked and dismayed that he [Graysmith] chose to publish incorrect and misleading info to further his theory that Allen was the Zodiac.” [Aug.10, 2012]
VOIGT: “And they did bungle the Allen investigation, even if he wasn’t the Zodiac.” [Oct.4, 2012]
VOIGT: “[W]hat I did online regarding Arthur Leigh Allen from 1998 through 2003 got him re-investigated by the police and eliminated in every possible way, right?” [Nov.5, 2013]
VOIGT: “If it wasn’t for people like us, Allen and several other suspects would still be on the radar wasting the time of investigators, both amateur and professional.” [Aug. 25, 2015]
You know, I designed the Queen crest. I simply combined all the creatures that represent our star signs-and I don’t even believe in astrology.
Misty Johansen has stated repeatedly that she believes the 9/27/1969 Lake Berryessa crime was more likely the work of a COPYCAT killer. Until this line of thinking becomes inconvenient for a separate theorizing session, at which time she’s right back to grouping the canonical crimes under a single perp. Elvis said it best: “A little less conversation, a little more action, please.”
Claypooles wrote:
“…I am convinced that his [Zodiac killer’s] main targets all along where women (I am also convinced that his misspelling of ‘woman’ as ‘woeman’ was a pun).”
ZKS post by Tahoe27 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:27 pm:
“I never quite understand this line of thinking.
He shot the hell out of Mike Mageau and stabbed Hartnell numerous times. There was every intent of killing them since both times a “double murder” was reported. Both of those guys were extremely lucky. And you have Stine. Cheri Jo, Kathleen Johns, and Donna Lass, remain in question.
If his issues were with women, I would expect an entirely different scenario–not only with his killings, but in his letter writing as well.”
Breathe. Sunflower. Rainbow. Three to the right. Four to the left. 450.
History Channel Narrator: “In 2002 Allen was cleared because his DNA did not match the Zodiac killer.”
Uhh – I’m’a gonna guess that’s Ross Sullivan, ’cause he looks like the freakin’ Zodiac.
***CYDNE HOLT DNA – ALL-POINTS BULLETIN – FAIL***
—How’s that suspect-eliminating “new technology” DNA working out for you, buddy?—
Kenny! – What’s-a matter you, Hey? You gotta da no respect?
DNA doesn’t lie; cases that are fifty, sixty years old have been solved by DNA.
***CYDNE HOLT DNA – ALL-POINTS BULLETIN – FAIL***
[Big accordion solo]
Mama-Mia! GAME-CHANGER!!!!
You will observe that ever since Tom Voigt publicly exposed the ABC Primetime Thursday / SFPD lab 2002 DNA testing debacle, his own forum members have directly asked him several times about his stance on Arthur Leigh Allen as a (renewed) viable suspect. Tom refuses to answer, but rather deflects the discussion to suspects “Sam” and “Waterson.” Yeah, that approach is going to work out well for Tom for about three more weeks. 😉
The Zodiac is in this 1958 picture!
[IMG]http://i63.tinypic.com/33nvl94.jpg[/IMG]
Do you see him?
Boo!
Paul_Averly at ZKS » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:25 am
Re: Possibly MAJOR Ross Sullivan writing find in yearbook
(still waiting…zzzzzz…looks like “possibly” NOT)
“ALA was cleared on:
DNA – No Match”
— Which DNA was that? —
As always, Paul_Averly and ZKS are a day late and a dollar short on the breaking forensic testing news.
Re: Circumstantial Evidence
Post by Jelberg on ZKS » Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:11 pm
“Though this photo is from after the Z crimes, it shows how Ted’s age and style didn’t vary much over many years, from the photo above. If you look at the comparison with the sketch, the nose is bigger, but the creases/lines on the face, nose/brow & and around the eyes are almost dead on. IMO the only other one close, out of all of the other POI’s, is Gyke.”
LOL! The bionic/AI Robbins kids and RoboCop, Donald Fouke witnessed the precise “creases/lines on the face” and subsequently related this to the detectives and forensic sketch artists. SIMPLY AMAZING!
2/15/2018
Sandy Betts:
“I know that when I found the Zodiac watch box with the name and logo together in a second hand store window. I gave Paul Avery that information ,so that it wouldn’t fall on deaf ears. I knew that if Paul told the police ,they would listen to him and he would be a witness to what was found.
He gave that information to Graysmith and then it was given to the police. Before that, the logo was thought to be a gun sight and the name Zodiac was something the killer named himself.( “Time” was important to Zodiac.)”
. . .
2/16/18
Sandy Betts:
“As soon as it (Lake Berryessa Zodiac killer costume) is returned to me and tested for DNA, will be proof enough that it is true what I have been saying all along. How many more lives besides Paul Stine’s life could have been saved, had the media described the costume correctly at the end of September1969?”
. . .
“My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. . . .”
Paul_Averly » Sat May 16, 2015 6:14 pm
“It’s a good thing to be a skeptic. But if there is one person you should be very skeptical of, it’s Tom V. He is notorious for making stuff up. And your not going to convince me otherwise!”
Paul_Averly » Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:09 pm
“Welcome Tom. Happy the hear your info on RS.”
Proving that BS is welcome as long as it’s on RS. Additionally proving that Paul_Averly may have mastered the possessive case. Infinitives and the definite article, not so much.
Re: Gaikowski Background as a Zodiac Suspect
TomVoigt » Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:41 pm
“I admit morf used to drive me crazy as a barn cat. I banned him several times, but as it turns out he was just super enthusiastic. Obviously he has stuck around and wasn’t a troll, so in hindsight I should have been above that.”
lol – It’s called two crippled suspect theorists using each other as crutches. Pathetic.
Wise up forum members, Voigt and Morford don’t just share moderators; they have a history of sharing visitor IP address info with one another too. Super enthusiastic… mmkay.
I suppose when you’ve totally trashed your crypto status on a History Channel show—for all eternity to witness—endorsing a “RICHERDMNIKSON” 340 solution, it can’t get any more humiliating extending olive branches to Tom Voigt or left-field Brazilian cipher nuts.
Hey! What do you know – the Zodiac forums are breaking out into The Breakfast Club!
this message is digits combinations ….
the first 5 lines :
4384/11/7663/10/36565
5/11/24/75/12464666745
1253/10/7/24/IE667565944
4/11/11/3674662/11/10/24/24/879
347/24/9425/10/7/10/3/24/2653
What a strange, strange Z world! The Ross threads have abruptly dried up at zodiackillersite where Arthur Leigh Allen is now all of a doo-dah!
Morf has gone off to solve EAR/ONS/GSK and every other non-Zodiac cold case worthy of his next be$t-$eller – leaving Tom V. in charge (!) – Tom’s left Sandy B. in charge back at his own site (!!); Pettibon has picked up that dusty six-string in the corner of his avatar and finally teased out the full name of his “favorite suspect”; Paul_Averly has turned Paul_Awol; Grinell is having cold sweat ALA conniptions; . . . and Ham Friend? . . . Ham Friend? . . . Ye of the rotated Sullivan graphology samples? . . . Soooooooie!
Dear Annie, Deb, Di, Misty, Sandy, Tracy, David & Howard,
— How you like me now?
Here it is . . . . I just did *your* background *and* foreground checks while spending nary a Jackson, and as far as the Zodiac Killer case henceforth will be concerned, they all come up: LOSERS.
By now, Richerd M. Nikson (sic) must be rolling over in his grave giving you a reverse two-fingered salute.
Won’t you sing it with me, ladies . . .?
Sounds like Robert is drunk again.
CP-02-CR-0012841-1997
Disp Date: 01/16/1998
75 § 3731 §§ A1* M2 Driving Under The Influence Of Alcohol
75 § 3731 §§ A4I* M2 Adult Dr W/Bl Alc Lev .08% Greater 1st Off
75 75 § 3714 S Careless Driving
CP-02-CR-0017153-2007
Arrest Dt: 11/24/2007
Disp Date: 12/06/2007
75 § 3802 §§ B*** M1 DUI: High Rte of Alc (BAC .10 – .16) 3rd Off
75 § 3802 §§ A1* M DUI: Gen Imp/Inc of Driving Safely – 1st Off
75 § 3802 §§ B* M DUI: High Rte of Alc (Bac.10 – .16) 1st Off
CP-65-CR-0002199-1997
Disp Date: 05/14/2001
75 § 3731 §§ A1* M2 Driving Under The Influence Of Alcohol
Dr W/Bl Alc Lev .10% Or Greater
“There is near panic behind the Portlandia bushes…” PEEK-A-BOO! GIRLS!
Blow now . . . 2018 . . . Gyke FAIL. Ross FAIL. Kaczynski FAIL. Voigt FAIL. Morford FAIL. Best Seller FAIL.
Numbnuts + sharmuta mods = 0. . . . Arthur Leigh Allen = WINNER, WINNER, CHICKEN DINNER!!!
“And, you know, if you look at the Zodiac Halloween card – you can see HERE . . . . Just doesn’t look like Zodiac to me at all! Not even the circle-cross on the inside of the card….and more paste-ups. –Just my take of course.”
Hats off and bottoms up!
“You know that scene in John Mikulenka’s video where you, Tom, and Ed are in the room digesting and reacting to news about the “DNA”-“results” re Allen? I promise you: that will go down as the most pathetically sad day in Zodiac Killer Amateur Research History! In one fell swoop, mere seconds measured in facial expressions, all rational caution leaks like pressure from the cabin . . . .”

This fella deserves a South Lake Tahoe Citizens Academy certificate. Tout de suite, Tootsies!
“The implication being Zodiac may have lived near Allen, knew him and was playing games trying to feed the police these letters after key events in Allen’s life. This guy obviously may have nothing to do with anything, but was just curious, as he lived just 59 feet from Allen’s 32 Fresno Street residence, and Allen may have known and/or confided in him. If he had first hand knowledge of Allen being investigated, then he becomes the perfect foil to implicate surreptitiously by mailing letters just after Allen’s release etc.”
BWAAAAAAH – HAHAHA – HAHAHAHAHAHAH – HA – HAAAAAAAAAAH!
Early April Fool’s!
“Here it is . . . . I just did *your* background *and* foreground checks while spending nary a Jackson, and as far as the Zodiac Killer case henceforth will be concerned, they all come up: LOSERS.”
Obviously you take the cake in the loser category and were recognized as a troll elsewhere. Treat your mental illness, please.
do anyone know tha grl who bite Beyoncé? cus she gonna get her ass beat
Their eyes discoursed of liberty, but they were both stuck: one in a concrete cave, the other in a place of fear and hesitation, able only to dream of freedom. It seems unclear, then, whether The Lady Agate could have been a gate of entry into the Zodiac game. All the gates in her world appear closed.
Sniff and Snuff
http://tinypic.com/r/2igbokn/9
The alleged Zodiac Killer giving a lecture in pedagogy. Pay attention to his watch. Hmmm…. Hey Gareth, O’Hare looks awfully spruced for his age. How’s your own health holding up these days? Sorry about the two phone calls the other day. I was lost for words.
Ooooops!
“Morf has gone off to solve
EAR/ONS/GSK andevery other non-Zodiac cold case worthy of his next be$t-$eller”Oh, I get it. Bullitt — ZteveMcQueen.
Ed Neil is back to take a bow as Tom’s rekindled BFF, just in time for the potential Zodiac DNA results. Ed had voluminous comments & replies over the years on ZodiacKillerFacts, but it looks as though he pleaded with Butterfield to redact them ALL (even from ‘Wayback Machine’ *GULP!*). Remember that accusation that Graysmith had authored the ’78 letter? What a doozy! We learn now from his own admission that Ed never even bothered to read Graysmith’s books.
Good thing I still have an HP/Compaq Windows XP machine just overflowing with those ZKF ‘Web Archive single file (*.mht)’ threads in all their pristine glory.
So if anyone wants to see them, happy massaging [sic] and just wake me up before you go-go.
que bonito! you betts i love me some Jorge Migal when I do my Thing!!!!!!!
Thanks for the phone call. It’s good to know you’re still enjoy our games.
Over at zodiackillersite.com:
The wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round, the wheels on the bus go round and round all day long.
People! Put aside this imminent new Zodiac killer DNA testing. It’s a red herring I tell ya. The best way to solve this case and honor the victims is to figure out once and for all exactly how many condoms were in Hartnell’s 1969 box of Fourex brand prophylactics. Was one used? If not, did authorities dredge Lake Berryessa in order to find the purloined prophylactic?
Wait! Did Bryan and Ce-ce have sex?
SWEET SASSY M’ LASSIE FROM TALLAHASSEE!
Pathetically lonely, obsessive, enquiring minds want to know. Now there’s your case solved and victims honored by Morf, Voigt, Tahoe27, Barney and friends.
Oy vey, again with the prophylactics?
“Ex called to tell me he is now rebuilding the large shed that caught fire a few months back. He assured me my boxes are in a cooler place to save the DNA!”
The forum members of zodiackiller and zodiackillersite are still eating this up (as they have been for years!). Them SUCKERS is HOOKED!
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=definition+of+gullible
Perhaps the problem is with the spoon!
Listen, don’t mention Ross Sullivan! I mentioned him once, but I think I got away with it all right.
If Ross Sullivan is the Zodiac I will tear up my degree!
Sir,
Please excuse me for posting on this forum, but I find no other way of relaying my message. I’ve tried locating your email address but have come up empty-handed. You seem to be unreachable. I don’t blame you! The matrix’ filled with kooks!
I’m here to tell you that Times 17 is a literary masterpiece. I’ve read it repeatedly and still find it alluring. There are twists and turns around every corner, and you take your readers on a majestic mathematical carpet ride. I thoroughly enjoyed playing Alice with the moves provided. Furthermore, while on the subject of glorification, I find your mathematical phone call exchanges with Mr. O’Hare artistically hypnotic. And your magic square is not to be sneezed at. Moreover, your clarification regarding the Arabic 3 (bottom of the Riverside letter) is a mathematical work of genius.
However, I’m here to discuss a passage that left a lasting impression on me. It’s found on page 227.
You claim the Zodiac’s crimes were directed against God. How could you possibly know Mr. O’Hare’s creeds and dogmatic decisions apropos Christendom?
You declare, and I quote,
“If You’re there, answer!” No response. “If You don’t respond, I will kill someone else. Your non-response will be considered proof of Your non-existence.” No response. “This time. I will not only kill another human being, I will use the San Francisco Chronicle to identify myself. If You don’t act on Your own, you will have to appoint an agent to act on Your behalf. If I am never prosecuted in a court of law, it will be taken as incontrovertible proof of the fact that either the universe which You are credited with creating does not work, or, seeing that it in fact does, that You did not create it and, by inference, do not exist. Take that!”
You are an educated man. And you’re not alone. There are many perspicacious people around the world. Some believe that the more educated you are, the more moral you are! In other words, they assume that morality goes hand in hand with academic achievements.
HG Wells believed the same thing. He saw World War one come along and was convinced that World War I was the war to end all wars. However, HG Wells saw World War II come along, and he saw the most highly educated, highly technological nation of the world, Nazi Germany, perform some of the most horrible human atrocities imaginable. Thus, HG Wells Wrote a book called “The Faith of men.”
In his book, HG Wells writes, and I quote,
“My faith in man, education, and technology is bankrupt, for I have witnessed the return of systematic torture by Nazi Germany. My faith is bankrupt”.
I respect HG Wells for his honesty. The idea that education is the basis of morality is a farce. For the question is,
“what are you going to use your good education to do?”
Blow up, people? Murder them at lover’s lanes? Murder them in taxis? Murder them at a water’s edge? Murder a 14-year-old child as she walks home from a friend?
Or find a cure for cancer?
However, the question goes deeper still. The question goes right back to: is there a God or is there not?
If there is no God, as you allude, morality is relative. Thus, in your intellectual ivory tower, on the streets of the inner city, you create what’s right and what’s wrong because it’s all relative.
But if there is a God, and this God is good and just, and if this God gave Gareth Penn and me a conscience, then it means that justice is not a relative value. It’s an objective moral value. And guess what? I’m so glad that all my atheist friends have consciences that tie them into those moral absolutes.
Could you imagine living in a society filled with people who did not have a conscience? That would be scary!
If I could murder and not feel any guilt that would really be scary!
… my recent Mossad instructor training to apprehend the Zodiac killer…
https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/sacha-8101.gif?w=644&h=362&crop=1&quality=80
Postby doranchak » Sun Aug 26, 2018
“My hunch is she is an amateur sleuth who thinks she solved the case, and came up with a solution to the ciphers, as many other amateur sleuths have. They are convinced they are right but their frequent attempts to contact law enforcement are ignored. So she began appealing to the public with the classified ads.”
My hunch is she had, in December 1968–eleven months before the Zodiac killer would mail the 340 cipher–The Solution “RICHERD M NIKSON” – and a month before Richard Milhous Nixon entered the White House! My hunch is the cipher gurus of the day went on camera to tell her, ‘Sock it to me! . . . Neato! What a gas, gas, gas!’ And then they all agreed to keep secret this serial murder solution from victim’s families and the public at large because, you know man – TV non-disclosure agreements, public image, and whatnot.
Good gosh, who is this guy?
Sandy Betts has at last submitted her long-promised evidence!
September 10, 2018 by Sandy Betts…
“Thank you, My hair style back then was heavily back combed to give me more height. Its a wonder I have any hair left, with all that bleaching that I did for so many years.”
Burt Reynolds look-a-like behind camera!
Does anyone know who this guy is?
Somebody has finally spoken the truth.
Oy, vey! Again with the detective beers.
“(Oct. 3, 2018) Here’s the latest:
Welcome, viewers of “Mysteries at the Museum” on Travel Channel! It was my pleasure to take part in the show and have beers with host Don Wildman.”
Zodiac Killer (dot) com® **EXCLUSIVE®** EXCLUSIVE®** EXCLUSIVE®** PHOTO®!!!!
Terry’s Waffle Shop® in Vallejo®:
Bir Boofing® Kaneh®!
Look at tha size of dat keg!!! Waffling Detective Terry Poyser® and me® gonna solve the Zodiac Killer® case now; just you wait twenty more years and see!©
Hahahaha…Terry Poyser and Tom Voigt gonna solve the Zodiac Killer case… Hahahaha…Bwhahahaha. If he slept with them in bed they wouldn’t know who he was.
Re: ALL THE SUSPECTS (WHICH ONE IS YOUR FAVORITE?)
Post by morf13 » Thu Aug 30, 2018
Dag MacLugh wrote: “What ever happened to Ross Sullivan? He’s been off the radar some time, now. Did Morf give up on him? Or maybe run out of leads?”
Michael Morford: “Personally, I don’t have the time or energy to look at anymore suspects. Too many things going on for me now, but Ross is my favorite suspect whether he was Z or not. I am hoping that DNA is developed so it can be entered into GEDmatch and the true identity of Zodiac can be determined”
Tom Voigt: “Sullivan was ruled out as Zodiac back in October 1969.
Meanwhile, would Cheri walk down a dark alley with a huge, weird, smelly guy?
Ross Sullivan is like crack to newbies, I’ll give him that.”
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$$$…aha…$$$…aha…$$$…aha…$$$…
Tha Real Huggy Bear : Look man. I lay it out for y’all to play it out.
P.S. … search reddit.com/user/TomVoigtZodiac
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Look at this can of nutters go!
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-news/the-zodiac-148-character-cipher#comments
Remember when you ran away And I got on my knees And begged you not to leave Because I’d go beserk Well you left me anyhow And then the days got worse and worse And now you see I’ve gone Completely out of my mind And they’re coming to take me away ha-haaa They’re coming to take me away ho ho hee hee ha haaa To the funny farm Where life is beautiful all the time And I’ll be happy to see those nice young men In their clean white coats And they’re coming to take me away ha haaa You thought it was a joke And so you laughed You laughed when I said That losing you would make me flip my lid Right? You know you laughed I heard you laugh. You laughed You laughed and laughed and then you left But now you know I’m utterly mad And they’re coming to take me away ha haaa They’re coming to take me away ho ho hee hee ha haaa To the happy home with trees and flowers and chirping birds And basket weavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes And they’re coming to take me away ha haaa I cooked your food I cleaned your house And this is how you pay me back For all my kind unselfish, loving deeds Ha! Well you just wait They’ll find you yet and when they do They’ll put you in the A.S.P.C.A. You mangy mutt And they’re coming to take me away ha haaa They’re coming to take me away ha haaa ho ho hee hee To the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time And I’ll be happy to see those nice young men In their clean white coats And they’re coming to take me away To the happy home with trees and flowers and chirping birds And basket weavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes And they’re coming to take me away ha haaa
ghostofdenniskaufman_redditbot at your service…
https://web.archive.org/web/20051112014928/http://www.kake.com:80/home/headlines/1735321.html
ghostofdenniskaufman_smokin’bot! at your service…
“The relationship between psychopathy and serial killers is particularly interesting. All psychopaths do not become serial murderers. Rather, serial murderers may possess some or many of the traits consistent with psychopathy. Psychopaths who commit serial murder do not value human life and are extremely callous in their interactions with their victims. This is particularly evident in sexually motivated serial killers who repeatedly **target**, **stalk**, assault, and kill without a sense of remorse. However, psychopathy alone does not explain the motivations of a serial killer.”
I heard that the Zodiac Anniversary Commemoration Bus Tour was gonna be a BLAST!
This is the biggest crime profiteering the city has ever seen, and the odds are a hundred to one they won’t make it, but they’re willing to take that chance . . . . It’s Beer Money or Bust!
Is there any chance we’ll be getting our Southwest Trail Lines deposit back?
Is it just me or does this resemble a word search? Has anyone tried looking at this in word search form? Instead of reading like script,it may be jumbled and intersecting words. That once discovered can be arranged in sentences. Just a thought.
Descanse em paz, Mais Querida Sondra.
Eu vou serenata você meu doce.
omg! are Grinell and Sandy/Sondra seeing this! ‘honcho’ .. serenata-‘serenader’ … SPLINTERS from our lives… Brit spell of travelled… 14/FORTEEN… san francisco.. many bodies of water… forest… sun for Odin’s ‘Sunna’ chariot (z-symbol)…you are here and warm (‘deep heat’) etc. etc. I belive Bob Welch -LA -early seventies rock musiker involved in zodiac case somehow. This could b best evidence to come since gaik or ross sullivan!!
‘All of the THINGS that I said that I wanted’ – when Z will ‘do my THING!!!!!!’
May be that ‘sentimental lady’ is ‘singurly abnomily’?
Even I find zodiac sign appearing as clouds/shadow in video several times! Takes the code on the beach sand at last frame. All I say now b/c i want to get my background chek already together & discuss w/ calif. LE so they know im kompetent and to publish exclsusively. Derfor maybe learn them to others on morf,voigt or grinell site!
Hi, english is not my second language either so please bare trees with me :-O –Freja
Z Tussler = 1 Gimp Frauds = 0
So this is where all the crazies hang out? L.O.L.
Well let me give a warning to crazies and sane alike: The Reddit Zodiac Killer forums today are filled with Tom Voigt fanboys, particularly at the admin and mod level. wink wink
Doc Daneeka your partner is in DEEP REAL ESTATE. You’re next. The Federal Trade Commission can’t save you. Surrender to it or I’ll terminate your case.
Hey, Doc_Daneeka Sex Change, just a quick heads-up:
Tom Voigt is actually spelled Cuck Holster. You can remember it by Tom Voigt sounds like Cuck Holster, and is correct.
Have a nice day!
The parent commenter cannot reply with ‘delete’ to delete this comment because The Fucking U S of A Trade Commission will handle it, you Internet bitch.
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Yeah, Bite You, Ignorant Internet Bitch.
sandy .
Tom Voigt bee-atch slapping ‘buddy’ Mike Morford all over Reddit…
“I hope to get my side of the truth out there about some elements of the case that I feel are time-wasters (for example, Zodiac “suspects” Ross Sullivan and Lawrence Kane)…”
“no. he had an alibi for the bates murder (according to the suspicious librarians) AND he was ruled out as the lake berryessa attacker.
ross is a waste of time.”
“the riverside police told the suspicious librarians that ross had an alibi for the bates murder. he was also cleared in the lake berryessa attack.
don’t let the internet fool you — the prime suspect in the bates murder has always been bill bennett aka “bob barnett”.
ross is trash as a bates/zodiac suspect.”
What? and Sandy Betts, Howard Davis & a hell of a lot of other nonces on his site aren’t “time-wasters”? Voigt’s a bad joke. GTFO.
ATTN: ZodiacKillerSite,
Username ‘Quicktrader’ is going off the rails. I politely brought this worsening situation to your attention at least twice since the end of last year. Presently, his vulgar language and expressed ideation related to criminal/DNA apprehensions has reached an uncivil, and to be honest, disturbing level. It’s a shame b/c he appears to have invested much personal research time and case info in years past. Please correct this situation. Together with the multi-page ‘Colliver’ thread, this issue is really diminishing the quality of an otherwise reliable public Z research site. Thank you.
“Ross was apparently locked in a mental facility at the time of Lake Berryessa. As for Riverside, detectives allegedly told the suspicious librarians who initially turned him in, that they cleared Ross because he had an alibi.”
Let’s see what the “Sullivan-coffee-cuckoo-gang” will have to say about that! Can’t wait to read their educated reflections or excuses!
Great to read that everyone’s waking up to the fact that Tom Voigt is nothing more than a charlatan and convicted stalker. Yes, folks…convicted stalker!!!
The man’s not worth a red cent and in matters of investigations, he couldn’t find the tampon if the string was sticking out of his ass!!!
Tom Voigt posting on Reddit, April 15, 2019:
What’s the funniest reach you’ve seen regarding evidence in this case?
“Laugh while you still can, Gyke was the Zodiac. And I’m going to troll this place like a muthafukka.”
Tom Voigt’s amateur investigating track-record:
Green River killer . . . FAIL
BTK killer . . . FAIL
Zodiac killer . . . COLOSSAL FAIL!!!!!
I not believe this man is the Zodiac killer but IMO there is chance that Zodiac killer Lake Berryessa hood is stored in this mans garage!
Adrian N Belkin
in the California, Birth Index, 1940-1995
Name: Adrian N Belkin
Gender: Male
Age: 74
Birth Date: 11 Nov 1944
Past/Recent Addresses: Antioch / San Leandro, CA
>>Oct. 27, 1970 Halloween Card
>>Found it!! By Fire, By Gun, By Knife, By Rope
“It gave me chills when I found it, as there was no doubt it was an inspiration for the Halloween Card, but I didn’t think it would be a case solver….it was still pretty cool, nonetheless. (wink-smiley)”
LOL. — A couple of years ago, Tahoe27 got all indignant because someone called her Halloween Card find a “good” discovery, but not necessarily a “great” one. Now, in her own estimation she has resigned to call it “pretty cool, nonetheless.”
Incidentally, I sure hope they find that killer at Lake Berryessa, you know . . . the one that wasn’t the Zodiac. Sheesh, nonetheless.
2019 Tom Voigt: “I don’t have any moderators at my discussion forum. I used to, but it turned out there was one or more I couldn’t trust. So I do all the moderating by myself.”
That is correct: ALL Twelve ZodiacKiller.com moderators and sycophants SACKED from their jobs! Oh, the humanity! Oh, the ignominy upon them and their progeny! Oh what FAILURES!
This calls for a song of sympathy from Sir Cliff…
Can we have just one rule in the short time—Tom Voigt assures us it’s nigh—until this case is resolved with DNA matching? . . . Just one, please . . .
WOULD PEOPLE STOP INTRODUCING THEMSELVES ON ZODIAC CASE DISCUSSION FORUMS AS AUTISTIC?!!!
Nobody gives a flying fuck! Here’s an umbrella Rain Man, go cry me a river in your room with the lights off. You want sympathy and an upvote then don’t come out until you’ve solved the goddam code!
It’s a shame about Ray.
Paul_Averly:
“Members are so hubris, that they eliminate a suspect based on height and weight, even when it FALLS WITHIN THE RANGE OF Z DESCRIPTIONS.”
Tell your brother, your sister and your mamma too
we’re about to use a noun
And you know just what to do.
Paul_Averly is back as Morf’s “special” supercilious Sullivan sleuth after six months of sitting in the ZKS corner wearing the ‘Dunce’ cap. I guess it’s back to the hole for another six Paul, unless, of course, you at last have some compelling evidence against Ross.
Re: VTH 2/24/07 Article on Arthur Lee Allen
on ZodiacKillerSite by sandy betts » Thu Aug 01, 2019
Thank you for posting that Zamantha, I am glad to see someone came forward to stand up for Art Allen. I have always said I would have felt comfortable having coffee and cookies with him. I was very sure he wasn’t the Zodiac and was sorry for him, because of all the people who said terrible things about him. I didn’t think there was anything to the pedophile case against him either. For all we know he didn’t do anything that other men haven’t done ,like a slight pat on the back end of another person. That is all it takes these days to be put in jail and named a pedophile. There has never been an attempted rape of an under aged person and that is usually what takes place with real pedophile.
Very sad what was done to him most of his life. How much of what we heard was true, we may never know. It is being done to other suspects as well, thank goodness they aren’t around to hear or read about it. I hope we get the results from VPD soon , so everyone else who is a suspect can be cleared.
Reddit asks: “What’s the biggest load of BS made up in this case?”
ANSWER: That the “expert” History Channel Code Team on The Hunt for the Zodiac Killer solved the 340 cipher and it reads… Richerd M Nikson.
Klaus Schmeh:
“Here’s my answer. In my view, HISTORY’s Zodiac Killer documentary should be regarded as semi-fictional. It tells the story of a fictional investigation of a real crime. The members of the investigation team (including crypto experts Craig Bauer, Kevin Knight, David Oranchak, and Ed Scheidt) served as actors. The things they found out are real, but far from new. Their super computer *Carmel* is a fictionalized version of some analysis software.”
So watch out for those Rhinestone Cipher “gurus”…
R.I.P. Paul_Averly and his asinine Ross Sullivan theories!!!!
Z Tussler = 2 Gimp Frauds = 0
Sandy Betts @ Zodiackillersite.com
“Thanks Tom I needed a good laugh this morning, we know about that trol site. Do they ever get anything right?”
Sandy, don’t lose track of the fact that the “turd of all turds,” none other than your buddy Tom Voigt, partakes in the Reddit parody.
–2019: The Year The Writing Was On The Wall for The Zodiac Killer Case–
– Observations on Morford’s & Voigt’s Damage Control –
Now it can be told – and I’m calling it here.
(Disclaimer: this is not a conspiracy theory, I promise.)
I want to consider some pertinent quotes that one may have missed this year from the Zodiac Killer community case record. Due to length, I had to complete this post with the subject quotes in a follow-up comment. I’d like to hear redditors’ own reactions to them; but as we approach 2020, I believe from close observation of the Z forums that the following is probable based on analyzing the website admins’ current statements and activity within context of the online community through 2019. . .
• No argument here: To a greater or lesser degree, Morford and Voigt do have source contacts knowledgeable about the present official investigation into the Zodiac Killer case evidence.
• I suspect M & V now have enough off-record leads—even if merely tentative—from trusted source(s) to know that their favored suspects, Sullivan and Gaikowski respectively, are in all likelihood NOT the Zodiac killer. Observe how Morford has had nothing substantive to say about Sullivan for many months, but rather is ramping up, like never before, his clichéd deflecting statements about how it matters less about being “right or wrong” on suspects & theories and more about just wanting the case solved, etc. Also, see how Voigt is once again flogging us with the Allen ‘right back in the mix’ routine – out of nowhere! – only a couple of days ago on his infrequently updated ‘News Center.’ Why now? . . . What the..? . . . Gaikowski suddenly no longer as relevant?
• M & V are shrewd enough to connect the few dots they’re given. It is my belief that both—or perhaps Voigt alone on this one—realize(s) that of all the prime suspects, Arthur Leigh Allen—via process of elimination of whatever limited info is coming his way—has been implicated as the responsible for at least one of the canonical crimes per nascent DNA findings (even if M & V are privy to only spotty and vague leaks re: genealogical activity/queries on persons remotely connected to ALA and his proximity).†
• Of course M&V would wish to delay the humiliation of losing face over how wrong they have been for years, accusing innocents while consequently publicly defaming those subjects’ relatives. Furthermore, in order that they not burn bridges to receiving additional privileged data – however limited – but remain faithful to their Law Enforcement sources, they cannot at this juncture do a 180° to abandon wholesale their suspects and erroneous research. (As a cautionary tale, recall Voigt’s March 25, 2019 update-posting fiasco and the subsequent fallout that dogs him to this day.)‡
Note: I predict this ‘fidelity to our exclusive sources’ will become their convenient excuse in the future when the discovery timeline becomes evident to all and M & V are asked why they were not forthright with the public about what they did know, however small an “officially” uncorroborated tip, and exactly when they knew it. Morford by all appearances has pushed Ross beyond arm’s length, but Tom will have less of a rationale to use the excuse, because despite what he now appears to infer to the contrary (see quotes below), he has too much ~~pride~~ conceit not to keep defensively reacting when challenged on his pet suspect Gaikowski and all the many years of wasted effort in that fruitless pursuit. If my suspicions are correct about what M & V may infer, each would be inclined to rationalize and hold out hope that his suspect could still be tied to at least one crime in the future.
• This would also explain the confounding relationship between Morford and Voigt in which we observe each tolerate impudence and disrespect shown toward him from the other and his members – a dark opera that reached its crescendo this year. Believe it: there is no love lost between these two, but their competitive dysfunction is such that, in order to avoid being left out in the cold, they pragmatically need the other and whatever sources he may bring to the table. Such a dire consequence would mean losing lifelines to forensic bona fides on which they’ve staked their entire Zodiac researching reputations and in Morford’s case, his relatively new professional true crime writing career.
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Here are a few telling quotes from recent history I’d like to consider:
‡ Voigt retracted his post on subreddit r/serialkillers in early 2019:
“THEY GOT DNA !!!!! — 3/25/19 UPDATE (ZODIAC KILLER)”
† SIGNIFICANT: Recall, that the withdrawn text of his Reddit post focused on—I believe it was even subtitled—”Bob Hall Starr,” Robert Graysmith’s pseudonym in his first book for none other than prime suspect Arthur Leigh Allen. Even if Voigt posted prematurely and was advised to take it down, why would he at this juncture begin a shocker four-exclamation points-worthy post with a reference to ALA? Coincidence? So, after an “exclusive” confab with his secret source, Gaikowski becomes abruptly no longer as relevant to Voigt?
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† Voigt recent update – ‘The News Center’:
“(Dec. 12, 2019) Here’s the latest:
Back in 2002, the methods used by a television show to ‘eliminate’ Arthur Leigh Allen as being the Zodiac via DNA testing, were completely dubious. As a Zodiac suspect, Allen is right back in the mix. For all the details, plus new content, check out The Arthur Leigh Allen File.”
Curious? Why does Tom keep bringing up the topic of Allen after dismissing him so many times over the past decade? Cutting his losses? Hedging his bets? Doth he not protest too much because he now knows some germane tidbit from his source . . . something in his bones?
Voigt post started (Jan. 21, 2018):
‘There is no Zodiac DNA profile — and there never was’
Voigt commenting recently under the above thread topic (Dec. 6, 2019):
“I’m going to bump this post in the near future.”
Voigt recently under the same thread (Dec. 7):
Mike_r: ‘I can guarantee you it was not from saliva that was placed on the envelopes in 1969 or beyond in the bliss of pure ignorance by the letter writer.’
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“I think I’ll bump this as well.” [Tom brusquely responding to Mike Rodelli’s quote above as if to suggest that Tom is confident with initial feedback from his LE contact that Mike_r is in all probability, wrong about his “guaranteed” conclusion.]
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Morford, same thread (Dec. 9):
“Tom and I don’t always agree on everything, but this is something to pay attention to.” [referring back to Voigt’s Dec. 6 comment, “going to bump this post in the near future.”]
Morford, same thread (Dec. 9):
“Most of us have our favorite suspects, maybe some don’t. But end of the day, DNA will prove some people’s theories right or wrong, or maybe even prove everyone wrong. I for one welcome the case being solved whether it means I am right or wrong about my suspect. In the end, the case being solved is what really matters, I just hope people accept the results and don’t cry conspiracy, cover up, or some other crazy crap.”
Morford, same thread (Dec. 12):
“At this point, I don’t care who Z was, I just want him revealed. That being said, it won’t stop the conspiracy nuts that think their suspect is still really Z, and that somehow, the police have covered it up.”
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Finally, let us not forget this 2018 nugget that showed us just where an official detective stands on the case—an investigator whom both Morford and Voigt have revered and referenced (their primary LE contact?) frequently in recent years:
† ‘Vallejo police have sent Zodiac Killer DNA to a lab. Results could come in weeks’
“‘Our Vallejo suspect is probably still the best lead,’ Poyser said of Allen. ‘There are probably 30 different circumstantial things that point to him. … He was extremely intelligent but a deviant dude.’
. . .
“Poyser also said Allen was known to have asked other people to lick stamps and envelopes for him, claiming he didn’t like the taste of the glue. ‘One of his friends actually said he did it for him, and we’ve had a couple people who lived in the neighborhood at the time say they did it as children,’ he said.
Poyser said if a clean DNA sample is obtained, police might ask those who licked materials for Allen to submit DNA swabs. ‘If they matched the Zodiac profile, it would provide another link to Allen,’ he said.”
— The Sacramento Bee (May 2, 2018)
This surely quashed Morf’s aspirations to turn Det. Poyser on to suspect Ross Sullivan; Poyser had participated in member Q&A at ZKS a few years ago. Neither do we witness Poyser saying a word last year (or since) about Richard Gaikowski.
For once—and no thanks to the opportunistic motives of Morford or Voigt, though they will surely attempt to insinuate themselves into the eventual credit for informing us all—I actually believe something official and significant will be arriving in early 2020, but not likely before the New Year holidays. And if it doesn’t? If we go another year with nothing but Voigt’s and Zamantha’s exclusive Polaroids of Vallejo in the good ol’ days? Well, can the Zodiac case admins’ credibility get any worse? At that stage, not even their most loyal sycophants will be able to resurrect them.
People – make no mistake about it – the damage control is kicking into high gear. We can witness enough of the evidence in what Morford and Voigt say – and don’t say; in how their behavior has changed this past year toward their site members, the public, and even toward each other . . . their ongoing, now heightened dysfunctional tolerance and enabling of each other.
–Monkey needs a hug–
I cannot believe the Zodiac killer images I am seeing at this link! I will never have writer’s block again…
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=tomvoigtcucked&t=i
This is a prepaid Internet post from…
Joe Exotic
…an inmate at the Grady County jail.
This Tom Voigt character is crookeder than a three dollar bill! Let me show and tell the whole thing…
https://m.imgur.com/a/cp3OWb9
God, it says in the Holy Book that you made Man out of clay. Oh, Lord…
… then why’d you have to make me out of shit?
I’m doing one hell of an illegal U-turn on the road to Shambala!
GAIK2020 baby!
Всю ночь изучал данные инет, и вдруг к своему удивлению обнаружил прекрасный вебсайт. Вот посмотрите: купить инсту name . Для моих близких вышеуказанный веб-сайт оказал незабываемое впечатление. До свидания!
ZKS: Chaucer » Jul 01, 2020:
“mccririck wrote:
‘The idea that there could be 2 different 9mm guns does nothing to indicate 2 different killers. What a ridiculous statement Sandy.’
I know you’re new here, but we are able to disagree with each other without resorting being twats. Sandy is a long time researcher, and whether you agree with her conclusions or not, I think she’s owed a bit more respect.”
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ZKS: In Bonus Fides (Is that you, Howard? lol) » Jul 01, 2020:
“Re-iterating what Chaucer said!!!
Play nice here.
The opposite obfuscates productive research.
BTW… I think a theory of more than one writer/participant holds water”
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ZKS: Margie » Jul 01, 2020:
“DITTO!”
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On the very same day as the above cohort proffered defense and apologetics for Sandy Betts, here is the “respect” Sandy shows a longtime research community member (behind his back, no less) – one who is on record numerous times showing her respect!
ZK: by Sandy Betts on July 1, 2020:
“Saying that Ray’s theory’s are a bit ‘exotic’, is a understatement LOL, he obviously lacks common sense!”
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EXCLUSIVE—Fincher movie BONUS outtake!!!!
[EXT. LOVERS’ LANE – NIGHT]
Honcho’s car with headlighs on, approaching Sandy just off her shift. . .
Sandy Betts, July 19, 2020:
“Over the yrs LE have had to deal with people who make up lies or stories, so now they are very sceptical of everyone I think? Thanks to people like Debra Perez , Dennis Kaufman ,Don Chaney and others.”
Por favor, Don Eladio, why you believe the Zodiac forums continue to be filled with crazy Manson biker and hellerbilly theories?
E tambien puta madre cucarachas!
very informative, bobby.
Re: Mr. White Belt: San Quentin, Presidio Heights, Vallejo,
Postby TomVoigt » Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:24 pm <<<—-*
I don't see any pleats. Regardless, funny how you ignore the facts that those same witnesses described a much larger man than Farley Fife.
TomVoigt
Posts: 590
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… don’t forget to study your Topps Studebaker trading cards, Tommy!
* wifey allotted Web time
Señor Salamanca, por favor, ring your bell; give us a sign — anything — to signal how viable Richard Gaikowski remains as a Zodiac suspect…
beaumontmeister… burkieman… kameldisco… The Sandy Betts Story…
There is nothing she hasn’t done, touched, seen, driven, shot, known, felt, drunk, flown, dated, watched, romanticized, including maintaining sole possession of the Zodiac’s hood! Damn, she’s a lucky cat. And she is the only person on God’s earth that continually piques the Zodiac’s interest. Why she magnetizes Z so much remains a mystery to many Z case aficionados. Why does she have so much gravitational pull that places her at the center of Z’s universe? Anyone know the answer?
“Don’t bet all of your beer! Save some for a toast.”
What for Tom? Haven’t your ‘sources’ told you?
It’s ARTHUR LEIGH ALLEN bitch.
You, Eddie, ‘Gunner’ Boy Blue, et al. will be crying the rest of your nursing home days over Gaik. LOL!
Take a look at this pic…
Could it be? …
It is! … great song, though.
… We now interrupt the United States 2020 Presidential Election vote count for a promo of Japan’s ‘Darkside Mysteries’ documentary featuring “author” and Zodiac killer “expert” Michael Butterfield …
She really should really check that Mikado hotel in North Hollywood Riverside Drive
Everybody watch today’s HEDGING HYPOCRITE SQUIRM & GROVEL!!! . . .
— “[W]e must change the nature of the debate.” —
ROTFLOL, translation: Michael Butterfield missed his calling as a spin-doctor for Donald Trump’s version of America.
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Nov. 26, 2020, Michael Butterfield:
“Those who have accused known suspects may have a vested interested in a preferred outcome, but those of us who have no pet theories or suspects would be happy to see the case solved in any scenario.”
. . .
“I do not argue about Allen’s guilt or innocence, largely because that is an issue which we cannot litigate or resolve, especially in online discussions.”
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Mar. 25, 2010, Michael Butterfield:
“Allen was a bad suspect from the beginning, and he’s an even worse suspect now. Anyone who is embracing this suspect today is simply out of touch with reality and addicted to a bad suspect/theory.”
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Dec. 11, 2011, Michael Butterfield:
“While Graysmith enjoyed the spotlight and convicted Allen in the court of public opinion, investigators watched in disbelief, families of the victims waited for real answers, and the Zodiac killer enjoyed his freedom.”
— from Michael Butterfield’s ZodiacKillerFacts site: ‘Facts Surrounding the Case of The Zodiac Killer’
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Nov. 6, 2017, Michael Butterfield:
“Allen seems like a good suspect as long as you only get information from people who think he’s guilty.”
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Nov. 26, 2020, Michael Butterfield:
“Arthur Leigh Allen may have been the Zodiac…”
. . .
“I would be very happy to see the case solved, even if Arthur Leigh Allen was identified as the Zodiac. So, the answer to the question is very clear when someone asks, ‘What are you gonna do if the DNA matches Arthur Leigh Allen?’ I replied, ‘Have a party. What are you gonna do?'”
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Oct. 3, 2015 – Nov. 26, 2020, Michael Butterfield:
“Critics, skeptics and theorists with pet suspects excluded by DNA comparisons claimed that the profile was unreliable while citing aging or contaminated biological material on the letters and envelopes as cause to dismiss the findings. Arthur Leigh Allen was among those suspects excluded by DNA comparison, yet this seemingly important fact, and the lack of credible evidence to link him to the Zodiac crimes, did little to deter his accusers.”
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Can you follow your own il-logic, fool? That’s you on numerous instances unequivocally stating that Arthur Leigh Allen IS NOT the Zodiac killer.
*Now* who is the cartoonist that “neglects those parts of the historical record that don’t fit into his scenario.”
All the votes are in! Take a hike, Butterfield, before you receive a new decade’s worth of further humiliation in front of your whole family.
Cause I might go Blaw! How you like me now?
For those of you playing at home, now or in the future — it’s 2020 — and we have the TRIFECTA!
Michael Butterfield: “Arthur Leigh Allen may have been the Zodiac . . . I would be very happy to see the case solved, even if Arthur Leigh Allen was identified as the Zodiac.”
Michael Morford: “I for one welcome the case being solved whether it means I am right or wrong about my suspect. . . . I don’t care who Z was, I just want him revealed.”
Tom Voigt: “I don’t give a crock of shi* if Allen was the Zodiac or not . . .”